re: Putin’s Invasion Had the Opposite Intended Effect - Russia Now Surrounded by NATO

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That doesn't make Putin the good actor here though

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I never said he was. I hate that having a discussion leads to several here opting for the simple-minded "Putin defender" talking point.

I am fully aware of what Putin is. I am also indifferent to what happens between Russia and Ukraine and want zero American or NATO involvement but the latter is no longer an option since Ukraine will join which will lead to more American involvement.

Russia is not going to walk all over Europe like the fear mongers suggested when this first started. That has always been the excuse for America to fund and be involved. Its a lie.