- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Putin’s Invasion Had the Opposite Intended Effect - Russia Now Surrounded by NATO
Posted on 2/27/24 at 8:21 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 2/27/24 at 8:21 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Here are three accounts of the April 2022 peacetalks status before the UK/US scuttled them. NATO was the primary concern according to EVERYONE. The thing speaks for itself.
quote:
All sources show a similar Ukraine vision of a peace deal.
quote:
(5) In exchange for giving up NATO, the EU Member States present among the guarantors (including Germany and France) guarantee Ukraine's assistance in joining the European Union.
Proving my point
Where in that link did Russia agree to any of those ?
Also, let's not forget: Russia rejected a peace deal before the invasion
quote:
Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, opens new tab, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
The Ukrainian-born envoy, Dmitry Kozak, told Putin , opens new tabthat he believed the deal he had hammered out removed the need for Russia to pursue a large-scale occupation of Ukraine, opens new tab, according to these sources. Kozak's recommendation to Putin to adopt the deal is being reported by Reuters for the first time.
Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react.
But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Christsakes! Post that BS on the OT. You'll get a ton of upvotes. But here, we deal in facts.
Russia rejected a peace deal before the invasion
First off, your link says this:
quote:
Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react.
Second, before the invasion, Ukraine did not offer a peace deal. Ukraine did not offer to drop NATO aspirations (quite the opposite), and continued to provoke Russia (cutting off the Crimean Canal, breaches of accords in the Donbas, etc) right up to the day of invasion.
So, no, Russia did not reject a peace deal before the invasion. The peace offerings were only forwarded two days after the invasion. By then the Russians were thoroughly committed to military action. Putin assumed he'd be able to dictate any terms he desired in a few weeks. Russia miscalculated.
From your link:
quote:
Two of the three sources said a push to get the deal finalized occurred immediately after Russia's Feb. 24 invasion. Within days, Kozak believed he had Ukraine's agreement to the main terms Russia had been seeking and recommended to Putin that he sign an agreement, the sources said.
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 10:29 am
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News