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re: Putin’s Invasion Had the Opposite Intended Effect - Russia Now Surrounded by NATO
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:57 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:57 am to Bunk Moreland
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Germany had nice, cheap energy to be an economic powerhouse and we f'ed them over pushing this conflict and blowing up Nord Stream. Putin was perfectly happy supplying that energy to western Europe, but we couldn't allow it.
We?
Germany leads the EU and worked hard to get Ukraine to join. They see the value in a European Ukraine. Germany (and the EU by proxy) has a lot of self interest in Ukraine. Why are we pretending like Europe has no opinion or voice in this matter? They were in Ukraine after Yanukovych went Game of Thrones. They were supporting the locals on the ground just like we were.
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 7:58 am
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Germany leads the EU and worked hard to get Ukraine to join. They see the value in a European Ukraine.
Can you quantify that value?
Posted on 2/27/24 at 8:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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We?
The U.S. has some weird, paranoid thing about German/Russian alliance. A bunch of senators said similar things, not to mention the Nuland types. The beautiful orange man even did it in his own unique way.
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"When Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia," Trump said to Stoltenberg. "We're supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.
"We're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they're paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.
"So we're supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that's very inappropriate," Trump said at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Brussels.
"Germany will have almost 70 percent of their country controlled by Russia with natural gas. You tell me, is that appropriate?," he asked, while Stoltenberg listened.
At one point, the former Norwegian prime minister pointed out that the NATO allies in Europe disagreed among themselves on ways to reduce the continent's reliance on Russian gas.
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