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Id really like to hear you explain this notion because Ive tried but really cant sort out inherent rights or ...further objective morality without invoking a higher power.

I'm a lifelong Catholic, but I'm far from super religious. I regularly attend church, but I have my doubts about God and religion like a lot of people do. I'm not proud of it, but that's my journey with religion.

But even in my most non-believer moments, I never have doubts about morality or humanity. There are religious people who are evil and non-believers who are good and moral.

I don't really see the two as connected.

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Posted by ThuperThumpin

Member since Dec 2013

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Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:00 am to Bjorn Cyborg

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There are religious people who are evil and non-believers who are good and moral.

I don't really see the two as connected.

I was raised Catholic as well but generally consider myself an agnostic. My question is focused on your use of the word inherent. I dont believe its inherent and that its a societal construct. Believers in a higher power can make the case its objective but I've never heard atheist or non believer do so. So where does an atheist believe these inherent rights come from? If they are subjective then they arent inherent.

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Posted by Prodigal Son

Member since May 2023

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Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:18 pm to Bjorn Cyborg

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I regularly attend church, but I have my doubts about God and religion

There’s nothing inherently wrong with that- to a poorly defined extent.

Christianity is a journey- not a destination. Do you ever doubt your doubts? Do you search for answers to your questions? I have been on quite a journey over the past few years. My unsolicited advice- seek and you will find. There’s no question you could ask that hasn’t been answered.
First, you have to answer the question- is there a God? While most convincing arguments are philosophical (the cosmological argument, objective morality, etc) the intelligent design argument, as put forth by Stephen Meyer, is also very compelling. Once you’ve reasonably deduced that there is a God, consider the evidence for the historical Jesus. Then, read Romans. While I admit that there is no silver bullet that kills doubt, the cumulative effect of considering all of the arguments is potentially quite moving. It’s like lifting weights; if you quit, you get weak. I’d be happy to help in any way I can.