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re: Virgin Atlantic flight bound for NYC cancelled when passenger spots missing bolts on wing

Posted on 1/23/24 at 7:05 am to
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 7:05 am to
I’d be curious to hear from our resident pilots on this one regarding if there are certain allowances for X number of bolts to be missing while retaining integrity of that part of the plane etc. … surely there’s redundancy built into the design. Not to say that’s the case in this instance, but I remember when plane tape went viral because people didn’t understand what it was or how it was used. Underinformed people panicking sells clicks and I’m guessing with public perception being what it is, airlines are trying to avoid passenger panic at all costs, even if it requires canceling a flight for something that happens all the time.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72379 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 7:10 am to
That plane has been in the air multiple times in that same state. It is likely fine.

Now, it shouldn’t have been an issue to begin with though.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3028 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 7:17 am to
quote:

I’d be curious to hear from our resident pilots on this one regarding if there are certain allowances for X number of bolts to be missing while retaining integrity of that part of the plane etc. … surely there’s redundancy built into the design. Not to say that’s the case in this instance, but I remember when plane tape went viral because people didn’t understand what it was or how it was used. Underinformed people panicking sells clicks and I’m guessing with public perception being what it is, airlines are trying to avoid passenger panic at all costs, even if it requires canceling a flight for something that happens all the time


Probably worth noting that X missing bolts, and X missing bolts right in a row would different design considerations/stress calculations.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29480 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:01 am to
quote:

I’d be curious to hear from our resident pilots on this one regarding if there are certain allowances for X number of bolts to be missing while retaining integrity of that part of the plane etc. …

Not a pilot, but yes, there is margin for a fastening surface. That’s for an emergency, not because the ground crew went to lunch and forgot to placekeep where they were in the reassembly steps.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
53048 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:15 am to
quote:

I’d be curious to hear from our resident pilots on this one regarding if there are certain allowances for X number of bolts to be missing while retaining integrity of that part of the plane etc. … surely there’s redundancy built into the design.


I've watched enough plane disasters shows on smithsonian channel to know that every part and piece is needed. Watched one where the bolts that were replaced on some part were a different thread spacing, and it eventually led to the plane crashing down.

FAA and air flight now is truly a gamble. This sort of shite should have been spotted by the pilot and maintenance crews before and after every flight.

Not to mention the diversity requirements that ensure the least qualified will be putting several tons of metal in the sky.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 10:16 am
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