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re: Amazon Prime new cartoon retells the creation story

Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:26 pm to
Posted by JiminyCricket
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:26 pm to
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It’s very simple. Adam ate the fruit. In that very day he ate the fruit, he did not die. Assuming Yahweh Elohim knew eating the fruit wouldn’t kill Adam that day or at all, then Yahweh lied. Very simple. He could have lied for a noble reason. Regardless, a lie is a lie. To take a story that you believe literally happened, and then reject one part as literal and twist in a metaphorical explanation that isn’t in the text of the inspired word of “God” should be blasphemy.



It’s not a twist towards blasphemy at all. Death is consistently viewed in the Bible as a separation. Physical death is a separation from our physical body and spiritual death is the separation of our spirit from God. At the moment Adam and Eve disobeyed, they experienced separation from God or a death to the connection they had prior to the fall. This isn’t a twist at all, it’s consistent with the overarching message regarding sin and its effect on man’s relationship with God.


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Are you parroting what other people have told you, or did you find that in Genesis? It doesn’t say anything about sin as to the reason for expelling Adam and Eve from Eden. It doesn’t say Adam died (spiritually). Here’s what it does say is the reason for expulsion.



Nice attempt at a red herring. I didn’t make that case nor did I argue that point.




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22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. 24He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.



I honestly view this as a blessing. To be condemned to a life of physical immortality eternally separated from God would seem like a pretty awful existence.


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It says in the text the reason God expelled Adam was to prevent him from eating from the tree of life and becoming immortal. I didn’t have to fabricate and lie like many of you apologists do. It’s right there in Genesis. Had he eaten from the tree of life Adam would have lived forever, but he didn’t, and he subsequently died 930 years later. The other thing about “dying spiritually” that I find so stupid is that for those scribes in Babylon writing the Jewish scriptures, the spirit was physical. What I mean by that is that by having spirit, one would have life. No spirit, no life. The spirit (wind, breath) was necessary for life, and if one lost their spirit/wind/breath they physically died. “Died spiritually” was a very physical real death. What happened to Jesus (in the myth, not in reality) when he died on the cross? Matthew 27:50



So you introduced a red herring claiming I made an argument about the reasons Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden and then fuss at others for being dishonest? It’s pretty much abundantly clear that biblically, spirit and body are two different things.


Like I said before, there must be a reason you feel so strongly about Christianity. You’ve obviously been well read and have spent lots of time researching. I just can’t imagine why you feel so drawn to a topic you claim to view as a myth or fairytale.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 6:10 pm to
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It’s not a twist towards blasphemy at all. Death is consistently viewed in the Bible as a separation. Physical death is a separation from our physical body and spiritual death is the separation of our spirit from God.


I don’t think you understand that word “consistently”. There was no such thing as “spiritual death” apart from physical death. When one gave up their spirit, they were physically dead. From dust Adam was made and to dust he shall return. There was no afterlife. Death was death. You may not like that very much and it isn’t consistent with the New Testament. Sorry but like in Matthew when Jesus dies his spirit (breath) leaves his body. He quits breathing.

The spirit is always connected with the physical body and that is consistent pretty much throughout the Bible. I hope you don’t think your spirit is going to go to heaven when you die. When you die you return to dust and when Jesus comes to judge the living the dead will be resurrected and transformed into glorious incorruptible bodies and live on earth according to most of the NT scripture unless you subscribe to Paul’s version where you get a new body and meet Jesus in the air and go up to heaven.
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