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re: Over 25% of Methodist churches abandon denomination as schism grows over LGBTQ+ issues
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:46 am to Champagne
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:46 am to Champagne
quote:The belief that the Bible supports homosexuality is a new thing. The Bible is very clear on the subject and no one has disputed that—neither Christian nor Jew prior to Christ—until the last few decades when these “Christians” abandoned the Bible as their rule for faith and life.
So this conundrum remains unsolved. Either the Westminster Confession is false or there's a piece of the puzzle that's not been discussed.
This isn’t an issue of biblical clarity but of sin.
This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 8:49 am
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Posted on 12/30/23 at 10:24 am to FooManChoo
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This isn’t an issue of biblical clarity but of sin.
I figured you'd go back to the Circular Logic of "The Bible is perfectly clear but THAT guy is wrong about what that passage clearly states.
In other words, we are back to Protestantism's fundamental flaw - the Bible says whatever any person says that it says. If I say that a passage clearly states "A", then Foo simply comes along and says, no, it clearly states "B". What happens after that? Foo and I have two NEW sects of Protestantism.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 10:46 am to FooManChoo
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The belief that the Bible supports homosexuality is a new thing. The Bible is very clear on the subject and no one has disputed that—neither Christian nor Jew prior to Christ—until the last few decades when these “Christians” abandoned the Bible as their rule for faith and life.
But they insist that the Holy Spirit guided them to interpret the Bible to say that Gay Sex is just fine. They have not "abandoned" any Protestant methodology for finding Truth.
In fact, the Gay Sex proponents are using the exact same methodology for disputing YOUR Bible interpretation that Calvin and Luther used to dispute the Roman Catholic Bible interpretations.
How can this methodology be proper when Calvin and Luther find new "truth" but then be totally improper when the Gay Sex proponents find another new "truth"?
The only answer you'll be able to provide will be, just as always from you: because my interpretation is in agreement with what the Bible clearly says, which is EXACTLY the argument that the Pro Gay Sex folks will tell YOU.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 10:51 am to FooManChoo
Of course, you and I agree on the proper interpretation of the Bible on this issue. That's clear. The Roman Catholic Church has always agree with us on this issue. It is in the Catechism for all to read, no matter what any Priest or Pope says or does.
The problem that we have here is to understand how the PROTESTANT methodology for discerning Bible Truth is going to work when we put the spotlight on this issue. Two different sets of Protestant pastors insist two opposite interpretations of the same Bible passages and BOTH sides invoke the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as they preach the opposite points of view.
Pick your church. Pro Gay Sex? Fine. Go to THIS church. NO Gay Sex? Fine. Go to THIS church. BOTH will tell that the Bible clearly states that the OTHER side is wrong.
It's a problem.
The problem that we have here is to understand how the PROTESTANT methodology for discerning Bible Truth is going to work when we put the spotlight on this issue. Two different sets of Protestant pastors insist two opposite interpretations of the same Bible passages and BOTH sides invoke the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as they preach the opposite points of view.
Pick your church. Pro Gay Sex? Fine. Go to THIS church. NO Gay Sex? Fine. Go to THIS church. BOTH will tell that the Bible clearly states that the OTHER side is wrong.
It's a problem.
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