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It’s a horrible year in the portal for QBs

Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:21 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:21 pm
Especially plug-in starters.

Gabriel is perfect for Oregon, because he has a weak arm and they throw mostly short passes.

The top two, Chiles and Moore, were freshman backups mostly. Both talented, but raw.

Cam Ward isn’t going anywhere without $1 mill+ and guaranteed starter. He’s solid, but not great.

I just don’t see “that guy”

And that means desperate teams will be paying too much for mediocre players.

LSU could use a QB, but is far from desperate.

Other QBs could enter, but I haven’t heard of any potential big names. But Jayden didn’t pop until spring, so we will see.

Eta: I’m for adding a QB.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 9:26 pm
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
25476 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:32 pm to
I read in am article the other day that 90 QBs are in the portal this year. Surely somebody can find a starter.

90 QBs transfers is just crazy to me
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:35 pm to
Not that I care about downvotes, but do people actually think it’s a good year for portal QBs?

The Cover 3 Podcast had a whole segment about how bad this portal crop is and wondering how Ohio State is going to fare, since they have to get a plug-and-play QB.

It’s Cam Ward and then who? Florida State may take DJU, and they are as desperate as Ohio State.

That’s bad.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:36 pm to
This is dumb lol. There are plenty guys that would be elite at many programs. Daniels, Nix, and Penix came in and put up no less than 3800 yards and 29 total TDs in their first season leading their teams to 10+ wins.


You just don't see the value because you're looking for a LeBron James to transfer. You know who else was young, transfered immediately after being a backup, and dominated? Justin Fields.

The fact that you're looking for the equivalent of LeBron James to enter the portal at QB is insane. But then again, you were one of those extremely ignorant clowns hating the hell out of Daniels before the season. Don't deny it. You had plenty of threads, of which one was brought up the other day, and critiquing is not what you did.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:37 pm to
Lots of JAGs. Quantity does not equal quality.

I’m speaking of high-end guaranteed starters. Will Howard is No. 5? That’s a bad list.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:41 pm to
quote:

you're looking for a LeBron James to transfer.


No, not at all.

If you are Ohio State or FSU and you have to get a QB that can get you to the playoffs, who are you getting?

I’m not just making this up on my own. 24/7, Cover 3 and other outlets have all said this.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
10328 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:42 pm to
LSU needs a vet transfer. Would be 1 injury away from Collins or Hurley. That would be a disaster.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:46 pm to
Last year was horrible as well.

2022 was incredible. Two Heisman winners, plus Quinn Ewers who could win it next year.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13109 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:11 pm to
Both those coaches have been in charge long enough to have recruited the qbs currently on their roster. Maybe they should do better. OSU in particular. How's Day a guru and stack top 3 classes and have no qb to put on the field? All while running the starter who just went 11-1 off. I'll save my sympathy.
Posted by TigerLifer18
Member since May 2023
2783 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:14 pm to
I have to disagree with you.

Gabriel is a really good player. Cameron Ward is a legit QB who will play on Sundays. Aiden Chiles has all the measurables to be a star QB. I’m not on board with the Dante Moore hype. Kyle McCord put up some good numbers. Riley Leonard is a damn good QB. Will Howard is a good college QB.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 10:15 pm
Posted by public_enemy
Member since Feb 2015
4846 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:16 pm to
I’m fairly interested in seeing what Collins has.

But yes, we need a backup with some experience for sure
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:16 pm to
Gabriel, McCord and Howard were all three told to leave.
Posted by TigerLifer18
Member since May 2023
2783 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:19 pm to
I agree with you there, but OU and K-State feel like they have star QB’s who will take over in Jackson Arnold and Avery Johnson. The pasture isn’t always greener on the other side. I’d be surprised if both those players put up better numbers than Gabriel and Howard did this season.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
32020 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:28 pm to
Remains to be seen. I believe Gabriel will have a great year. His arm is more suited for Oregon’s offense. He’s weak on the deep ball.

Ward is a good player and is probably the best QB for immediate impact.

The others have potential, but I don’t see any stars.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75554 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:32 pm to
Neither Joe Burrow Nore Jayden Daniels were “that guy”

Joe was absolutely a desperation grab because our QBs looked terrible in spring and Joe became available.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28380 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:33 pm to
quote:

Gabriel, McCord and Howard were all three told to leave.


They weren’t all specifically told to leave. Gabriel and McCord were probably told they would likely lost their starting jobs. Howard may have been.

A good point that was raised on the Cover 3 podcast was that many schools are having to prioritize their NIL funds, and QB is the position that demands the most money. They may have been told that anything going to them from collectives would be diverted to other needs, which in all of their cases would be younger, higher rated QBs. Most will leave on their own if they know they likely won’t start and their pay will be taking a big hit.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
32020 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:37 pm to
Yes, I listened to that one.

They also discussed how coaches have too much pressure to allow their home-grown QBs to develop, so they go get a portal QB that may be better today, but may not have the upside a developed QB would.

It’s a conundrum the coaches have, balancing their rosters and the portal.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
32020 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:38 pm to
quote:

They weren’t all specifically told to leave. Gabriel and McCord were probably told they would likely lost their starting jobs. Howard may have been.


That’s a distinction without a difference, because they would’ve also lost their NIL money.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28380 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 11:07 pm to
quote:

You just don't see the value because you're looking for a LeBron James to transfer. You know who else was young, transfered immediately after being a backup, and dominated? Justin Fields.


Justin Fields was a top QB in his class and played non-garbage time snaps in several conference games. UGA just handled his situation poorly and chose the wrong guy to be their starter. And they didn’t have the offense to properly utilize him, either.

Daniels is also a bad example. He was the top dual threat QB in his class. Guess who was #2? Bo Nix. Neither measured up to their talent levels at their first stops, but it was still easy enough to see how athletic they were and that they both had potential.

Penix is a decent example, as he was the 36th pro style QB and was a 3 star. But he had still already shown better than those ratings in his limited playing time at Indiana. The knock on him was that he was injury prone.

Most of the QBs in this portal class haven’t shown the athletic ability or arm talent to take over a game the way any of the QBs above had before they transferred. There are a few good ones, but there’s a lot of solid journeymen or less, as well.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 6:17 am
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28380 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 11:12 pm to
quote:

They also discussed how coaches have too much pressure to allow their home-grown QBs to develop, so they go get a portal QB that may be better today, but may not have the upside a developed QB would. It’s a conundrum the coaches have, balancing their rosters and the portal.


I sincerely hope that Kelly sticks with what he said recently and focuses much more on recruiting over the portal, at QB and across the roster. A guy like Underwood could help the staff build a 1st or 2nd ranked class and hold it together. Pay that off and more like him will follow.
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