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Populism is the only Thing That Will Save Capitalism
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:53 am
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:53 am
I am a old dissolutioned conservative. I am having my doubts.
As we head towards the second great collapse and the slow steep decline that will follow, it stands to reason that any rational person would ask the question, "Why?".
You can argue with me about my economic outlook, but you are wrong. The bubble.. 2nd bubble ... will burst. the people will suffer, and given the debt and interest on that debt, the old ways of stimulating an economy will no longer be tenable.
So what grade do we give the system? And to what standards do we hold it?
Just a generation ago, when the Soviet Union fell, it was supposed to be the final proof of the superiority of capitalism.
But now, could it be there is no winner?
By what standard do we measure our system? I propose that we measure it by the American Dream. What percentage of our people are able to achieve any semblance of the American dream under the current system?
The Answer is, not may. A minority. Even by the most modest of definitions, the American Dream is in reach of modest minority.
Most can't achieve everyone of the following:
Shelter in a safe neighborhood.
Healthy diet
A Modest nest egg for times of unemployment or distress.
Health insurance to avoid calamity due to illness
Ownership of Personal transportation and the means to pay for it.
Adequate savings to allow for retirement with no deterioration of living standard.
A very modest, reasonable definition of "The American Dream" And achievable by perhaps 1/3 of the population.
I'm going to stop here and wrap it it because everything I have said to this point is undeniable.
Populism concerns itself with the bottom line effectiveness of the system and the condition of the people. Conservatism finds the above facts irrelevant. To the conservative, capitalism = freedom and no other discussion is necessary.
If conservatism did concern itself with outcomes, maybe it would come up with many great and viable solutions. I won't question that. But does it?
So my question is, should we even judge our system on the basis of how well it's people are doing?
Or is that simply not relevant?
If life is a race, it's a race with a staggard start.
We have no say over where we start or the advantages we enjoy or disadvantages we face. Of course, certain prodigies start at the back and win the race. And some weaklings start in front and fall behind.
The question is what about the average ones. The human ones? From a societal standpoint, should we judge our system based on how it works for them? And if we find that there is no moral basis on which it should be judged, then as a practical matter, can we all survive if the system doesn't work for most people?
As we head towards the second great collapse and the slow steep decline that will follow, it stands to reason that any rational person would ask the question, "Why?".
You can argue with me about my economic outlook, but you are wrong. The bubble.. 2nd bubble ... will burst. the people will suffer, and given the debt and interest on that debt, the old ways of stimulating an economy will no longer be tenable.
So what grade do we give the system? And to what standards do we hold it?
Just a generation ago, when the Soviet Union fell, it was supposed to be the final proof of the superiority of capitalism.
But now, could it be there is no winner?
By what standard do we measure our system? I propose that we measure it by the American Dream. What percentage of our people are able to achieve any semblance of the American dream under the current system?
The Answer is, not may. A minority. Even by the most modest of definitions, the American Dream is in reach of modest minority.
Most can't achieve everyone of the following:
Shelter in a safe neighborhood.
Healthy diet
A Modest nest egg for times of unemployment or distress.
Health insurance to avoid calamity due to illness
Ownership of Personal transportation and the means to pay for it.
Adequate savings to allow for retirement with no deterioration of living standard.
A very modest, reasonable definition of "The American Dream" And achievable by perhaps 1/3 of the population.
I'm going to stop here and wrap it it because everything I have said to this point is undeniable.
Populism concerns itself with the bottom line effectiveness of the system and the condition of the people. Conservatism finds the above facts irrelevant. To the conservative, capitalism = freedom and no other discussion is necessary.
If conservatism did concern itself with outcomes, maybe it would come up with many great and viable solutions. I won't question that. But does it?
So my question is, should we even judge our system on the basis of how well it's people are doing?
Or is that simply not relevant?
If life is a race, it's a race with a staggard start.
We have no say over where we start or the advantages we enjoy or disadvantages we face. Of course, certain prodigies start at the back and win the race. And some weaklings start in front and fall behind.
The question is what about the average ones. The human ones? From a societal standpoint, should we judge our system based on how it works for them? And if we find that there is no moral basis on which it should be judged, then as a practical matter, can we all survive if the system doesn't work for most people?
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:57 am to RiverCityTider
Get to point already, grandpa.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:01 pm to RiverCityTider
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If conservatism did concern itself with outcomes
Why?
I said it in 2016, MAGA will lead "conservatives" into socialism.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Congrats you were wrong?
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Your just confirming what I said. Conservatives don't care about the condition of the middle class its just not relevant to you.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:04 pm to RiverCityTider
Populism is not a philosophy of governing. It's a description of a candidate's style. Trump is a conservative populist. Bernie Sanders is a leftist populist.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:04 pm to BeehiveTiger
quote:
Congrats you were wrong?
Absolutely not.
Populism is a buffer against capitalism and free markets. Its the first step to becoming a progressive.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:05 pm to RiverCityTider
Crony Capitalism isn't Capitalism. MIC and Big Pharma isn't Capitalism. Keynesianism isn't Capitalism.
The question is, can we get back to free markets and business environments that give small businesses a fighting chance? I have doubts...
The question is, can we get back to free markets and business environments that give small businesses a fighting chance? I have doubts...
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Reality is not supporting your fantasy.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:05 pm to RiverCityTider
Also, your assertion sucks!
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:06 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:
Most can't achieve everyone of the following: Shelter in a safe neighborhood. Healthy diet A Modest nest egg for times of unemployment or distress. Health insurance to avoid calamity due to illness Ownership of Personal transportation and the means to pay for it. Adequate savings to allow for retirement with no deterioration of living standard. A very modest, reasonable definition of "The American Dream" And achievable by perhaps 1/3 of the population.
I was a product of single parent household, was a C student most of my academic life and still achieved all of these easily.
You sound like a sore loser
Also don’t confuse capitalism with the current corporatocracy we have now
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:06 pm to jrobic4
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The question is, can we get back to free markets and business environments that give small businesses a fighting chance? I have doubts..
2020 was a massive expansion of corporate America at the expense of small business.
The people here love it. This is what they support.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:07 pm to jrobic4
It's funny. The things you named that aren't capitalism are never really emphasized by conservatives. Only libertarians and populist focus on these things.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:09 pm to jamboybarry
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I was a product of single parent household, was a C student most of my academic life and still achieved all of these easily.
You sound like a sore loser
Also don’t confuse capitalism with the current corporatocracy we have now
Don't assume I've lost anything. Maybe you have lost your humanity.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:11 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:
Populism is the only Thing That Will Save Capitalism
Capitalism isn’t perfect. It has enabled oligarchs.
I’m more concerned with liberty.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:11 pm to jamboybarry
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I was a product of single parent household, was a C student most of my academic life and still achieved all of these easily.
You sound like a sore loser
Populism is the politics of sore losers. Tends to lead to other -isms like communism, socialism, fascism, and eventually totalitarianism.
The soviets had no problem murdering the middle class as they were considered part of the bourgeoise.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:11 pm to RiverCityTider
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Maybe you have lost your humanity.
Populism is antithetical to humanity.
If you want to help humans, help them develop. Populism rewards them for not advancing.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:16 pm to RiverCityTider
What you want is trust busting and defeating government/business collusion.
We need a Teddy Roosevelt
We need a Teddy Roosevelt
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:17 pm to RiverCityTider
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Your just confirming what I said. Conservatives don't care about the condition of the middle class its just not relevant to you.
Roger used the term "working class" as a pejorative the other day. Let that sink in.
He's confused objecting to government interference to provide equal outcomes (socialism) with objecting to private organizations buying government and then being used as a tool of said government for the removal of liberties and the preservation of political power.
He's lost. And, he's a terrible human being.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
What is it? Half of you say "we really don't have capitalism now" and the other half deny there is an issue and say the people are 100% to blame.
Which is it?
Which is it?
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