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re: Is the Christian God the same God of Judaism?

Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:02 pm to
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:02 pm to
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same God, the Jews are just still waiting for the messiah, they don't believe in the Christion one


They killed our Lord and Saviour.
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 10:03 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 6:54 am to
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They killed our Lord and Saviour.


Yes but they thought he was a fraud. In their minds and hearts, they thought they were doing the right thing.


If some guy came to your neighborhood and started telling people he was the messiah, you’d likely call the authorities too.

ETA John Stuart Mill wrote about this in his essay “Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion”

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These were, to all appearance, not bad men—not worse than men most commonly are, but rather the contrary; men who possessed in a full, or somewhat more than a full measure, the religious, moral, and patriotic feelings of their time and people: the very kind of men who, in all times, our own included, have every chance of passing through life blameless and respected. The high-priest who rent his garments when the words were pronounced, which, according to all the ideas of his country, constituted the blackest guilt, was in all probability quite as sincere in his horror and indignation, as the generality of respectable and pious men now are in the religious and moral sentiments they profess; and most of those who now shudder at his conduct, if they had lived in his time, and been born Jews, would have acted precisely as he did.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 8:42 am
Posted by Antoninus
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 2:50 pm to
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same God, the Jews are just still waiting for the messiah, they don't believe in the Christion one
They killed our Lord and Saviour
He wanted it to happen. It HAD to happen, or there could have been no Resurrection.

The Sanhedrin were just playing the role that their own God (and yours) assigned to them.

If not for the Sanhedrin, there would BE NO "Christianity."

I have always been entertained by the huge number of Christians (probably a strong majority) who do not grasp this simple concept.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 3:02 pm to
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They killed our Lord and Saviour.
And theirs.
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Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”

So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
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