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Herb Jones rebounding discussion
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:39 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:39 am
why are his rebounding numbers not that impressive? he gets out rebounded by guys with less minutes. He's not a huge part of the offense normally thus i'd think he'd do better at attacking offensive rebounds and put backs. For being a defensive guy, i'd think rebounding and effort goes along with that package more. Not trying to trash herb trying to understand and if this is something he should be putting more effort towards.
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This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 8:40 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:49 am to Chad504boy
This has been repeated a billion times by now, but Herb is often defending out on the perimeter and is a sticky defender (i.e. he’s furthest from the basket and therefore the ball after it’s shot making him the least likely to grab the rebound). His eyes are always on the player he’s guarding.
I hope this helps.
I hope this helps.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:53 am to Chad504boy
He's just not a good rebounder. If you watch him, his timing and anticipation on where the ball is going to bounce is not good. I love herb but multiple times last night he mistimed his jump for the rebound, either jumping too early or too late.
I love the guy but it's a big weakness. Right up there with 3pt shooting. Him being able to grab 8-9 rebounds per game would help us so much.
Maybe he can go spend some time with Dennis Rodman in the offseason
I love the guy but it's a big weakness. Right up there with 3pt shooting. Him being able to grab 8-9 rebounds per game would help us so much.
Maybe he can go spend some time with Dennis Rodman in the offseason
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:04 am to oncealurker
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but Herb is often defending out on the perimeter and is a sticky defender (i.e. he’s furthest from the basket and therefore the ball after it’s shot making him the least likely to grab the rebound). His eyes are always on the player he’s guarding.
I hope this helps.
i don't think that this answers the question in entirety at all. CJ, Dyson, Hawkins all out rebound Herb.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:11 am to Chad504boy
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i don't think that this answers the question in entirety at all. CJ, Dyson, Hawkins all out rebound Herb.
People always say rebounding is all effort and i just dont think that's 100% true. Yes effort plays a big part but being able to anticipate where the ball is going to bounce and timing your jump right is absolutely a skill. Dyson is very good at that and he's always out on the perimeter defending just like herb.
Dennis Rodman didnt grab a billion rebounds strictly from hustle. He also had elite timing and anticipation
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:36 am to Chad504boy
Herb is defending probably 60% of the shots on perimeter. The dude is switching and rotating all over the place. It’s hard to rebound when your back is to the goal defending a shot. You’re better than this, Chadboi
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:42 am to BigPerm30
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Herb is defending probably 60% of the shots on perimeter. The dude is switching and rotating all over the place. It’s hard to rebound when your back is to the goal defending a shot. You’re better than this, Chadboi
why did you ignore my point about offensive rebounding as well? 9th on team in offensive rebounding when having 4th most mpg.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:54 am to Chad504boy
Its a weak spot, but even realistically you want him to uptick from 4 to 5-6 to get into the 'average' category amongst wings.
The weakest IMHO is not Herb, but Nance
The weakest IMHO is not Herb, but Nance
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:58 am to htran90
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but Nance
he doesn't have the mpg to put up better numbers. I think his numbers are pretty adequate per minutes played.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:03 am to Chad504boy
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he doesn't have the mpg to put up better numbers. I think his numbers are pretty adequate per minutes played.
I meant it as more of the rebounds we give up when he's on the court. I feel like we lose 1-2 OREB easily
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:18 am to Chad504boy
I always equate rebounding in basketball to RBIs in baseball. Difficult to place a true value on either...because there are so many other variables that go into a players "numbers". Rebounding is probably the hardest of the two...to judge...based on #s. IF the Pels wanted Herb to crash the boards on both ends of the court on every shot, I can assure you he would do so and his rebounding #s would go up. However, his value to the team would take a huge hit. The Pels KNOW this.
Not to get too deeply into the weeds so...on the offensive boards, Herb is BY FAR our main "get back" guy on defense. So...usually his only attempt at an offensive rebound is when he is in the corner and can use the standard "drive by" method...whereby he moves parallel to the baseline and then veers toward the foul line. If the rebound falls in the "long slot"...Herb has a shot at it, otherwise he has a head start on his most important job during a missed shot by the Pels...BE THE FIRST PLAYER BACK...to give us our best shot at stopping transition baskets for our opponent.
On the defensive boards, it's MUCH simpler. Like others have mentioned, Herb is usually guarding a perimeter player who is a huge threat to score. Plus...when guarding a board crasher, Herb is a "box out" kind of guy. He mainly wants to make sure HIS man doesn't get the rebound. He's content to neutralize his man...and let one of our other guys get the easy rebound. Fairly obvious what is going on, when you really stop and watch things closely.
Then again...I COULD be wrong...and it might just be a total "lack of effort" on Herb's part. Opinions vary...apparently.
Not to get too deeply into the weeds so...on the offensive boards, Herb is BY FAR our main "get back" guy on defense. So...usually his only attempt at an offensive rebound is when he is in the corner and can use the standard "drive by" method...whereby he moves parallel to the baseline and then veers toward the foul line. If the rebound falls in the "long slot"...Herb has a shot at it, otherwise he has a head start on his most important job during a missed shot by the Pels...BE THE FIRST PLAYER BACK...to give us our best shot at stopping transition baskets for our opponent.
On the defensive boards, it's MUCH simpler. Like others have mentioned, Herb is usually guarding a perimeter player who is a huge threat to score. Plus...when guarding a board crasher, Herb is a "box out" kind of guy. He mainly wants to make sure HIS man doesn't get the rebound. He's content to neutralize his man...and let one of our other guys get the easy rebound. Fairly obvious what is going on, when you really stop and watch things closely.
Then again...I COULD be wrong...and it might just be a total "lack of effort" on Herb's part. Opinions vary...apparently.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 10:20 am
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