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re: ACT test scores for U.S. students drop to a 30-year low -- HEY! TEACHERS UNIONS???
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:48 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:48 pm to NC_Tigah
My son just got a 1260 on the PSAT, puts him in the top 95% or higher as a sophomore - top 90% overall (including juniors)
My wife is in year 29 as a public school teacher and has NEVER joined the union - didn’t want any extra money being taken from her checks…
frick unions
My wife is in year 29 as a public school teacher and has NEVER joined the union - didn’t want any extra money being taken from her checks…
frick unions
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:51 pm to NC_Tigah
That graph doesn’t match the title of the OP. The graph just shows the number of students who took the test by the year.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 5:19 pm to NC_Tigah
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The relevance is income level. Higher income dropped the least. Impoverished dropped the most. Insofar as other categorizations (race, ethnicity, geographic region) track income, those groups performed accordingly.
But far fewer people took the ACT than in previous years.
It's a little misleading.
Most top schools don't require the ACT/SAT any more so lots of kids would have chosen not to take it.
This could easily push scores down as weaker students take it while stronger students opt out.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 5:22 pm to dcbl
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My wife is in year 29 as a public school teacher
Posted on 11/7/23 at 5:36 pm to CAPEX
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Most top schools don't require the ACT/SAT any more
So ... /inmybestjoebidenwhisper/ ... the applicants take the test, just as they would have.
If they do well, they submit it.
If not ....
... well
.... don't let Tish"Peekaboo"James find out you've dodged submitting a low score, lest she claim you advantaged yourself of existing rules, and sue you for $300M.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:45 pm to CAPEX
quote:may not be required, but a good score can help with admission AND many scholarship dollars are tied to those test scores
Most top schools don't require the ACT/SAT any more so lots of kids would have chosen not to take it.
I’d say that most top students still take the test (for scholarship money)
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:32 pm to SingleMalt1973
Smart kids do well
Good kids perform higher.
All the others you cannot help. I'm sorry, but it begins and starts at home. Most to not have the basic competency skills to understand an ACT.
For those that do not know the ACT is not like taking a 9th grade test and having half of America scoring a 50% on.
The way the ACT is set up is by completing a building block of skills. Like when a kid takes the Math portion of the ACT. The test is 40 questions. The tester will get so many algebra, geometry, Algebra II and then Pre-Cal. In many cases these kids could have bombed geometry and have not attempted or currently in Algebra II. Many never see Pre-Cal.
Good kids perform higher.
All the others you cannot help. I'm sorry, but it begins and starts at home. Most to not have the basic competency skills to understand an ACT.
For those that do not know the ACT is not like taking a 9th grade test and having half of America scoring a 50% on.
The way the ACT is set up is by completing a building block of skills. Like when a kid takes the Math portion of the ACT. The test is 40 questions. The tester will get so many algebra, geometry, Algebra II and then Pre-Cal. In many cases these kids could have bombed geometry and have not attempted or currently in Algebra II. Many never see Pre-Cal.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:57 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Schools in Louisiana shut down in March of 2020. We were back in person for the 20-21 school year.
In summer of 2020,
quote:I don’t know what every district across the state did but schools in Orleans Parish were back in person at the start of the 2020-2021 school year. There are very poor and underserved kids in this district.
In the end, LA public schools severely underserved their poorest, most needy students. They did it callously, and with political motive.
quote:to be honest, I was in survival mode from 2020 until summer 2022. I didn’t pay much attention to teachers unions that didn’t impact my life in anyway. I taught first grade in 20-21. Teaching kids how to read while wearing a mask was really fun. Plus I had a 1 and 3 year old at the start of the school year - definitely wasn’t worried about whether or not schools in Alexandria or Monroe were in person.
Considering your bent against the further disadvantagement of impoverished individuals (a predisposition which I share w/ you), and your educational background, I am surprised you'd not be seething at the disservice Weingarten et al did to disadvantaged kids.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 6:04 am to 4cubbies
quote:Just for clarity in the conversation, the Randi Weingarten Teachers Union school shutdown agenda references failure to reopen for the 2020-21 school year. Yes, everyone shutdown in March 2020. But when private/parochial schools reopened, unionized facilities did not.
In Louisiana, schools shut down because the teachers unions demanded it.
———-
There was maybe one or two schools with teachers unions in New Orleans in March of 2020 yet all the non-teacher union schools in New Orleans shut down.
quote:Assuming "we" references schools being fully reopened statewide (FIP), your statement is incorrect. In 2020-21, LA slowly ramped from ~10% FIP to around 60% FIP by year's end. It wasn't until the 2021-22 school year that the LA public system returned to attendance normalcy.
Schools in Louisiana shut down in March of 2020. We were back in person for the 20-21 school year.
quote:You'd know better than I. But the LDOE reported Orleans was 39% FIP, 49% Virtual, and 12% Hybrid.
I don’t know what every district across the state did but schools in Orleans Parish were back in person at the start of the 2020-2021 school year.
quote:It's now 2023.
to be honest, I was in survival mode from 2020 until summer 2022. I didn’t pay much attention to teachers unions
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 6:10 am to NC_Tigah
Graph just shows the number of kids taking the ACT bas gone down, not scores.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 6:57 am to NC_Tigah
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But when private/parochial schools reopened, unionized facilities did not.
When they reopened when? the following school year? I’m almost certain that the schools in surrounding parishes here were in person at the start of the following school year.
When I say in person, kids could attend in person. They had the option to but we had to have a virtual option too for parents who were nuts. Teachers unions cannot be held responsible for parents who chose to keep their kids at home instead of sending them to school when they had the option to send them to school.
quote:was this schools or students?
But the LDOE reported Orleans was 39% FIP, 49% Virtual, and 12% Hybrid.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 7:13 am to 4cubbies
quote:Students.
was this schools or students?
quote:Not only were unions pushing shuttering schools then, they did it again last year. Baton Rouge teacher union demands schools go virtual because of COVID, calls for shutdown - Jan 2022
When I say in person, kids could attend in person
Posted on 11/8/23 at 7:53 am to NC_Tigah
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Students
That was up to their parents, not the unions.
quote:
Not only were unions pushing shuttering schools then, they did it again last year.
I don’t think the union got their demands in that instance though.
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