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re: Sources: Big Ten coaches urge action against UM. Update: Connor Stalions has been fired

Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:49 pm to
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:49 pm to
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11.6.1 doesn't mention anything about coaches that I can see.


i literally wrote (11.7.1) in my original post, which is in the grayed section. it delineates what a coach is

how TF can buckeyes be so retarded?
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 7:51 pm
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:53 pm to
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wonder what the bucknut excuse will be nov. 25th?


Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
204149 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:57 pm to
Correct is was a true rivalry that decided who went to the rose bowl… but from 2000 till 2023 has dominated Michigan with some of the most embarrassing scores in Michigan history. The last two years have been impressive but OSU is more battle tested and Michigan will be distracted the rest of the year. All this cheating stuff will take its toll.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76635 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:58 pm to
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i literally wrote (11.7.1) in my original post, which is in the grayed section. it delineates what a coach is

how TF can buckeyes be so retarded?


My point is that how a coach is defined had no bearing if it's not used in the off campus in person scouting rule. Which it's not.

11.6.1 plainly states it cannot be done and doesn't reference who can't do it. The school or any affiliates can't do it. They certainly can't use recordings from it, because that is explicitly against the rules as well.

It's plain as day what the rule states and intends to state
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 8:01 pm
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
1126 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:03 pm to
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My point is that how a coach is defined had no bearing if it's not used in the off campus in person scouting rule. Which it's not.

11.6.q plainly states it cannot be done and doesn't reference who can't do it. The school or any affiliates can't do it. They certainly can't use recordings from it, because that is explicitly against the rules as well.

It's plain as day what the rule states and intends to state


if a random person who is NOT employed by any university (whether it's Connor Stalions friend, a fan, a scout, etc) wants to go to a game and record the sideline of the game, and give the video to a member of the coaching staff, that is NOT explicitly prohibited.

that's what i'm saying. all coaches are prohibited from attending games of future opponents and recording them. coach defined as someone who is employed or receives benefits from that university

however, there's no rule that states if the video was recorded by someone else, a paid coach is NOT allowed to use that film. that's it
Posted by Nathan Hail
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Member since May 2022
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:05 pm to
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Michigan will be distracted the rest of the year.


it's having the opposite effect.

quote:

All this cheating stuff will take its toll.


yeah, on the teams that have play a pissed off, disrespected Michigan football team.

GO BLUE!#vastnetwork
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:16 pm to




We broke you. No wonder y'all ducked us and then started cheating.
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
5652 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:20 pm to
I don’t know about that. No doubt he’s better than Jimmy Franklin.
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
1126 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:23 pm to
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We broke you.


if you're happy with your last win against UM being in 2019,

i'll take that definition of "broke" all day
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
204149 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:26 pm to
Who have they played that doesn’t suck???
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76635 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:28 pm to
quote:

if a random person who is NOT employed by any university (whether it's Connor Stalions friend, a fan, a scout, etc) wants to go to a game and record the sideline of the game, and give the video to a member of the coaching staff, that is NOT explicitly prohibited.


We aren't talking about that.

What occurred was a Michigan coach collaborated to have off campus in person scouting performed and recordings provided to him.

That's against rule 11.6.1. It states that that type of scouting shall not be done. By anyone. If they intended to allow 3rd parties to do this scouting, the rule would state that. Later in the exceptions, they use the term institutional staff. They intentionally didn't use that term for 11.6.1

It's in violation to the letter of the rules. The spirit or intent of the law clearly wouldn't allow this and any rational person would agree with that. But alas...
Posted by Nathan Hail
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Member since May 2022
657 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:32 pm to
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Who have they played that doesn’t suck???



no one. we'll be eating crow if we don't handle pennst and beat osu.

it's the manner we've beaten everyone. all the games are over in the third quarter. pretty much the same roster as last year, just a year older.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73414 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:33 pm to
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if you're happy with your last win against UM being in 2019


I'm not happy that you dirtbags stained The Game with three straight forfeits.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:43 pm to
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It doesn't look like it.

Does look like it since you quoted me first.
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
1126 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:45 pm to
quote:


What occurred was a Michigan coach collaborated to have off campus in person scouting performed and recordings provided to him.

That's against rule 11.6.1. It states that that type of scouting shall not be done. By anyone. If they intended to allow 3rd parties to do this scouting, the rule would state that. Later in the exceptions, they use the term institutional staff. They intentionally didn't use that term for 11.6.1

It's in violation to the letter of the rules. The spirit or intent of the law clearly wouldn't allow this and any rational person would agree with that. But alas...


technically, there's no violation

Explanation



Posted by Nathan Hail
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Member since May 2022
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:47 pm to
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technically, there's no violation


easily defensible either way.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76635 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:50 pm to
So it's against the rules to record signals during the game you're playing, but not against the rules to record other teams' games and essentially use that footage during your game against them?

You honestly believe that?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76635 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:51 pm to
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easily defensible either way.


Yeah, I can't have a rational conversation with people that actually think that.

Have a good night.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55976 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:51 pm to
quote:

I give people too much credit on this site as a whole.

I have to remind myself that we walk among complete imbeciles every day in life and those people also have the internet


they'd be singing a different tune if they knew actual michigan fans/alum.
Posted by TOPAL
Member since Mar 2010
4543 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:52 pm to
Michigan only has to worry about 1 game every year. It's basic math.
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