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Most common drugs should be completely legal

Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:34 pm
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:34 pm
for adults.

Cocaine, many opioids, shrooms, and especially DMT should all be legal when produced by legitimate businesses that have their products tested.

Your war on drugs doesn't work and never has. It's anti-freedom, very expensive, and creates conditions that leads to impure drugs that are dangerous.

Added benefit is that full legalization would severely hurt the Mexican drug cartels and would make our neighbor to the South a better neighbor that possibly is sending fewer people over.

Why don't "small government conservatives" get this?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296291 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:35 pm to
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Why don't "small government conservatives" get this?


Many of us do and have been arguing this for years.

Maybe dont overgeneralize so much.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116710 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:38 pm to
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Why don't "small government conservatives" get this?


As a libertarian I've always been for legalizing drugs on one condition which is consistent with small govt. That is, NO govt programs for rehab. If you can't function because of drug use, then go find a street corner and die. It will be a good lesson for the children walking by.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:38 pm to
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Many Palestinians in Gaza have been arguing to stop the violence for years.

Maybe dont overgeneralize so much.

Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:38 pm to
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Why don't "small government conservatives" get this?

Because the same “small government conservatives” are cucks to the enforcement arm of the state, cops and prison corporations, who endlessly lobby against legalizing anything.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296291 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:40 pm to
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As a libertarian I've always been for legalizing drugs on one condition which is consistent with small govt. That is, NO govt programs for rehab.


and no resuscitation.

I'm for legalizing everything and letting the chips fall where they may.

the weak would die off.

Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:41 pm to
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As a libertarian I've always been for legalizing drugs on one condition


lol that's not libertarian. That's just stupid. You're anti-freedom. You prefer less freedom in exchange for not having a rehab program? The two things can be separate efforts. It's not like drugs aren't already rampant in society.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296291 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:42 pm to
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You prefer less freedom in exchange for not having a rehab program?


No taxpayer paid rehab program, he said.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296291 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:42 pm to
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Because the same “small government conservatives”


You wouldnt know what the frick one was if you lived with it.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:46 pm to
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No taxpayer paid rehab program, he said.



You are rationalizing being anti-freedom. Tax payers are already paying a ton to deal with drugs and legalizing drugs can be a separate debate to whether or not we have government funded rehabs. You realize, that right?

Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
8341 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:47 pm to
Let’s make a deal then, I’ll support total legalization but users of these drugs have to irrevocably relinquish any claims for any government benefits for health care, food stamps, welfare, mental health, unemployment, etc.
This post was edited on 10/28/23 at 12:47 pm
Posted by scurvydawg
College Station
Member since Sep 2018
130 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:47 pm to
Legalization as the OP describes won’t happen. Politicians are paid off by the cartels on both sides of the border and the U.S. government wants the power that comes with illegal use.
Posted by KTBFFH92
Member since Oct 2023
175 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:48 pm to
The only drugs that are legal is the ones the FDA wants to kill you with

Reality is the government has no right to tell you what you can or cannot take. Have no right to force you to get experimental injections either
This post was edited on 10/28/23 at 12:49 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296291 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:49 pm to
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You are rationalizing being anti-freedom.


Bull fricking shite.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296291 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:51 pm to
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The only drugs that are legal is the ones the FDA wants to kill you with


If it works, they will not prescribe it.

I told my doctor that she was the kind of Dr that causes people to use street drugs. Shes now retired, thank God.
This post was edited on 10/28/23 at 12:52 pm
Posted by redneck hippie
Oklahoma
Member since Dec 2008
6288 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:51 pm to
It’s always the money trail.
Keeping drugs illegal is important to many industries - lawyers, judges, police, insurance companies, drug testing facilities, t-shirts, etc.

Here in Oklahoma we voted in legal weed a few years ago, something I would have never dreamed even 10 years ago. So far there has been no noticeable downside that I’ve seen. Every once in awhile you might smell weed burning in public but even that is pretty uncommon
Posted by olemissfan26
MS
Member since Apr 2012
6823 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:56 pm to
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Why don't "small government conservatives" get this?


Because we don’t want to live in the hell hole “society” it would create.

Yeah let’s legalize all the hard drugs that make people useless zombies. What could go wrong? Yes it’s hard to stop it from being used but the “TaX iT aNd MaKe It LeGaL” crowd never looks at the long term consequences.

Look to California cities for examples of how this has failed. You want needles, walking zombies, people shitting on the sidewalks in the suburbs? I’ll pass
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296291 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:57 pm to
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Because we don’t want to live in the hell hole “society” it would create.


They'll die off in a generation.

Thats a good thing.
Posted by olemissfan26
MS
Member since Apr 2012
6823 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 12:58 pm to
You just proved my point. It will kill thousands of Americans. No thanks
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125386 posts
Posted on 10/28/23 at 1:02 pm to
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Why don't "small government conservatives" get this?


Because we don’t have a small government. And additional legalized drugs will only add to the “need” for government services.

Our firemen and paramedics in St. Louis spend a great deal of their days administering Narcan. Do you anticipate a lower or higher need for their services with continued legalization of drugs?
This post was edited on 10/28/23 at 1:03 pm
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