re: Jeep Wagoneer debacle

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Toyota isn't magical. They have a pretty solid reliability history, but are notoriously milquetoast and outdated from design and technology standpoints.

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Depends what you want in a vehicle.

I want to spend as little time in my car as possible.

I want it to start when I’m ready to go and make it to my destination.

Toyota does that. As for technology I can hook up my phone and play music charge it and use navigation. That’s all I need.

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Bruh, Toyota isn't magical. They have a pretty solid reliability history, but are notoriously milquetoast and outdated from design and technology standpoints.

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Probably related. I will take the yota.

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Bruh, Toyota isn't magical. They have a pretty solid reliability history, but are notoriously milquetoast and outdated from design and technology standpoints.

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I understand that point of view. To me, a vehicle is merely transportation from point A to B. I want to do it in the most reliable and economical way possible. I'll give up air-conditioned seats for jumping in my 2012 Tunda with 250k on it and just turning the key with no worry about anything. Knowing it'll go 300k + with no issues is the most important factor for me. I despise vehicle payments, sometimes necessary,, but I want to limit having one as much as possible.