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re: Israel being attacked
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:58 am to RealityWinsOut
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:58 am to RealityWinsOut
The problem you run into is that Israel also kills women and children, and at a much higher rate. They inflict a lopsided death toll on the Palestinians. And most die in collective punishment strikes, like we see in Gaza now. This does not excuse the Palestinians, but from a Christian perspective, this is a problem, because it violates our rules about proportionality. The stronger power is held to a higher standard and its expected to act with restraint.
The calls for ethnic cleansing are also a moral problem (although it’s something that we participated in after WW2 - and shame on us for doing so.) The how is also something that people don’t think through. Are you going to kill and terrorize them till they flee? Like the Croats did. Or will you forcibly imprison them, and transport them somewhere else? May I suggest cattle cars?
Expecting either side to behave in a Christian fashion is unrealistic though, unless we’re talking about the Palestinian Christians, which is a small and unfortunately ever dwindling population. That’s partly do to the decline of the faith as a whole, and the rise of Islam in the region, but it also has a lot to do with the nasty repression that Israel subjected them to. Many left.
The calls for ethnic cleansing are also a moral problem (although it’s something that we participated in after WW2 - and shame on us for doing so.) The how is also something that people don’t think through. Are you going to kill and terrorize them till they flee? Like the Croats did. Or will you forcibly imprison them, and transport them somewhere else? May I suggest cattle cars?
Expecting either side to behave in a Christian fashion is unrealistic though, unless we’re talking about the Palestinian Christians, which is a small and unfortunately ever dwindling population. That’s partly do to the decline of the faith as a whole, and the rise of Islam in the region, but it also has a lot to do with the nasty repression that Israel subjected them to. Many left.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 9:20 am to Lima Whiskey
Hamas and Israel are at war. Hamas is completely mixed with its civilians and packed into a urban area. If anyone has a idea that defeats Hamas with little civilian casualties I'm sure the world is listening.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 9:40 am to Lima Whiskey
In the last war of survival (WW2), the US did whatever it took to crush the Germans and the Japanese. Why shouldn’t Israel do any different?
Sure you don’t set out to kill civilians needlessly, but if the bad guys are hiding amongst the civilians and the civilians are supporting them then what else can you do?
Sure you don’t set out to kill civilians needlessly, but if the bad guys are hiding amongst the civilians and the civilians are supporting them then what else can you do?
Posted on 10/19/23 at 10:31 am to Lima Whiskey
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The problem you run into is that Israel also kills women and children, and at a much higher rate. They inflict a lopsided death toll on the Palestinians. And most die in collective punishment strikes, like we see in Gaza now. This does not excuse the Palestinians, but from a Christian perspective, this is a problem, because it violates our rules about proportionality. The stronger power is held to a higher standard and its expected to act with restraint.
Are you really trying to equate aggression and retaliation? Figured with your background that you would realize that lengths the Israel goes to ensure collateral damage is minimized. But if you want to support a terrorist organization that employs human shields while degrading the only democratically elected government in the region….you do you bro!
This post was edited on 10/19/23 at 10:33 am
Posted on 10/19/23 at 1:09 pm to Lima Whiskey
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because it violates our rules about proportionality.
I've said from the beginning Israel is overreaching and needs to have a sense of proportionality with these strikes. By now we should have a firm number on the rapes. They should start there. Once the rapes are carried out they should focus on the murders. We have to keep a level head.
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