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re: Jay Johnson is about to become the Nick Saban of college baseball
Posted on 7/30/23 at 8:48 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Posted on 7/30/23 at 8:48 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
We all keep saying college baseball is more competitive now than in earlier decades.
BUT..
it seems like many schools who used to be CWS competitive have fallen by the wayside (Irvine, Fullerton, Long Beach, et al) and the biggest programs are more dominant than ever.
How many Big 10 or ACC programs are contenders annually nowadays?
I think the best programs are better teams than in previous decades, but there are fewer programs who fall in that category.
BUT..
it seems like many schools who used to be CWS competitive have fallen by the wayside (Irvine, Fullerton, Long Beach, et al) and the biggest programs are more dominant than ever.
How many Big 10 or ACC programs are contenders annually nowadays?
I think the best programs are better teams than in previous decades, but there are fewer programs who fall in that category.
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Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:20 pm to GeorgeWest
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We all keep saying college baseball is more competitive now than in earlier decades. BUT..
Agree with this completely.
I’m dead certain that in 2009 no one thought Saban could ever surpass Bear Bryant in championships.
I’m also certain that everyone said it was impossible, because college football had far more parity in 2009 than it ever had back in the 60’s & 70’s during the Bear’s reign.
I’m watching the college baseball landscape change where there’s not going to be as much parity in the future as there has been for the past 20 years. LSU and the SEC have serious advantages over other schools and areas in the country.
While it’s not probable that Jay surpasses Bertman, it’s possible that it could happen.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 10:29 pm to GeorgeWest
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We all keep saying college baseball is more competitive now than in earlier decades
That's because it most certainly is.
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it seems like many schools who used to be CWS competitive have fallen by the wayside (Irvine, Fullerton, Long Beach, et al)
They haven't necessarily fallen by the wayside. More teams that ever before started to care about college baseball, so their path has a lot more resistance. Maybe whitchita st has fallen.
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How many Big 10 or ACC programs are contenders annually nowadays?
The ACC regularly has contenders. As does the Pac 12 and Big 12. The big 10 probably doesn't even realize they have baseball teams.
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I think the best programs are better teams than in previous decades, but there are fewer programs who fall in that category
Just look at the recent past national champions. You won't see the same teams over and over again. It's different teams, which goes against your entire point.
There are more teams in just the SEC alone today that are legit contenders each year than there were in the entire nation during Skips years. Skip competed with Miss St and sometimes Bama for the SEC. You can't say that today.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 11:48 pm to GeorgeWest
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I think the best programs are better teams than in previous decades, but there are fewer programs who fall in that category.
17 of 20 titles between 1983 and 2002 were won by 8 schools who were either past champions or won multiple titles in the 20 year span. There were only 3 schools who won their only title in that time frame. 6 of 9 champions between 2013 and 2022 won their first and only title and 8 overall in the last 20 CWS have only one title ever. 7 schools with multiple championships historically have won 12 of the last 20. Those numbers suggest as many top programs, but more parity making it difficult to win multiple times.
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