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re: New head to head poll: Trump 54 | DeSantis 46

Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:17 am to
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:17 am to
Lets gooooooo fellow Meatballers
Posted by blueboxer1119
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:18 am to
Tigerdroppings Political Talk: on [OFF]

DeSantis Propoganda 24/7: [ON] off
Posted by tivey6301
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:19 am to
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If it wasn't close at all, Team Trump wouldn't be still relentlessly attacking Ron with increasingly dishonest and unhinged things.

Interesting. By this logic, democrats wouldn't be trying to stop Trump from running if they weren't worried that Trump would likely beat biden.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:20 am to
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democrats wouldn't be trying to stop Trump from running




Is that what they're doing?
Posted by Jon Ham
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:20 am to
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Lets gooooooo fellow Meatballers



Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:21 am to
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DeSantis Propoganda 24/7: [ON] off


Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:22 am to


Posted by Jon Ham
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:23 am to
Double meatballs gif before noon. Day has already been won.
Posted by tivey6301
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:24 am to
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Is that what they're doing?

What would you call what they are doing? Cuckeye
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:28 am to
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I haven't made a decision on who is the candidate I support in the primary but I tend to think its not as close as the Ron folks think.


It is about what is represented in this poll. Keep in mind that this generation of voters has given us 80 year olds all over Congress, and back to back terrible do nothing presidents.

The voters are dumb enough to run Trump v Biden 2.0. Watch debt soar, watch any meaningful legislation die. Then we will try to run two dead people against each other in 2028.....yay America.
Posted by aggressor
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:29 am to
His progress is he is working the ground game and building bridges in the early states, especially Iowa. People forget that Trump was up by 11 points in the last Iowa poll prior to getting crushed by Cruz and DeSantis has a much more organized and better funded organization than Cruz. It's a Caucus state. DeSantis understands that if he wins Iowa everything changes. Trump isn't inevitable and he has to fight against a guy that has far more money and far better organization than he does. He can't just rely on inevitability. Trump may still win for sure but it's going to be a dogfight. The "others" will also be pressured to drop out pretty quickly and they won't have any money except Vivek who is just a Trump surrogate.

Of course on the flip side if Ron loses Iowa bigly he's done.

These national polls are great for banter but they have little to do with the bigger picture outside of how they might impact the folks in Iowa and NH.

This race is Obama vs Hillary in terms of how it sets up and DeSantis is literally following Obama's plan and Trump looks eerily similar to Hillary in '07/8. Obama was down 30 into December, then he surprised in Iowa and suddenly it was a race. Of course there are things about this race that are different than that one as well but it is definitely the most similar from a political science perspective.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:30 am to
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, democrats wouldn't be trying to stop Trump from running


what

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73532 posts
Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:38 am to
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What would you call what they are doing?


Outmaneuvering you idiots. Again.
Posted by tivey6301
Member since Jul 2011
2001 posts
Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:45 am to
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Outmaneuvering you idiots.
Really now. I guess I should expect much more from a cuckeye..
Posted by philter
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:45 am to
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His progress is he is working the ground game and building bridges in the early states, especially Iowa. People forget that Trump was up by 11 points in the last Iowa poll prior to getting crushed by Cruz and DeSantis has a much more organized and better funded organization than Cruz. It's a Caucus state. DeSantis understands that if he wins Iowa everything changes. Trump isn't inevitable and he has to fight against a guy that has far more money and far better organization than he does. He can't just rely on inevitability. Trump may still win for sure but it's going to be a dogfight. The "others" will also be pressured to drop out pretty quickly and they won't have any money except Vivek who is just a Trump surrogate.

Of course on the flip side if Ron loses Iowa bigly he's done.

These national polls are great for banter but they have little to do with the bigger picture outside of how they might impact the folks in Iowa and NH.

This race is Obama vs Hillary in terms of how it sets up and DeSantis is literally following Obama's plan and Trump looks eerily similar to Hillary in '07/8. Obama was down 30 into December, then he surprised in Iowa and suddenly it was a race. Of course there are things about this race that are different than that one as well but it is definitely the most similar from a political science perspective.



I understand you have to have hope, but you're making yourself feel better at the moment.

They just cut 33% of their staff because they overspent.
RDS campaign firings
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The expanded cuts are the latest sign that the Florida governor’s team is pivoting to a slim-down operation amid concerns over their finances. The campaign announced it had raised $20 million during the second quarter of this year. But it had spent a good chunk of that money. Much of the sum it raised, moreover, came from donors who had given the maximum amount and could not give again.


Which leads me to my next point...Trump gets 82% of donations from small donors - IE he's a populist that has vast support from small donors. You may not think this is a good thing, but in fact it is. It means his support is broad and will LAST throughout the primary and GE because the max donation limit will not be reach by 82% of his support for quite a while.

Meanwhile, Ron has less small donor support than Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, and even Will Hurd??? who? MOST of Ron's donors have MAXXED out their support, and cannot re-up. It also shows he's the establishment's candidate..which is hurting his populism as well.




The bottom line is, while he's an impressive governer, governor popularity in their own state doesn't translate to popularity in a GE historically. It's a toss up, and in this case..people just don't like the guy.
Posted by financetiger38
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:47 am to
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All you have to do is monitor Trump and the cult’s behavior to know this race is much closer than they want to pretend it is.

DeSantis supporters are so anti-Trump they’re starting to sound like CNN and leftists.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73532 posts
Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:50 am to
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Really now.


Yes.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5073 posts
Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:51 am to
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The bottom line is, while he's an impressive governer, governor popularity in their own state doesn't translate to popularity in a GE historically. It's a toss up, and in this case..people just don't like the guy.



Meanwhile, Trump has near 100% name recognition and has an "unfavorable" of 57%. People just don't like the guy.

DeSantis is not as well known. He has a sales job to do the next 6 months. We will see how he does.
Posted by tivey6301
Member since Jul 2011
2001 posts
Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:51 am to
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DisplacedCuckeye
Guess desantis is "outmaneuvering us idiots" too. Poll
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73532 posts
Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:52 am to
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Trump gets 82% of donations from small donors - IE he's a populist that has vast support from small donors.


He's a grifter who preys on fools.
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