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Lord’s Prayer opening may be ‘problematic’, says archbishop
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:49 pm
The archbishop of York has suggested that opening words of the Lord’s Prayer, recited by Christians all over the world for 2,000 years, may be “problematic” because of their patriarchal association.
In his opening address to a meeting of the Church of England’s ruling body, the General Synod, Stephen Cottrell dwelt on the words “Our Father”, the start of the prayer based on Matthew 6:9–13 and Luke 11:2–4 in the New Testament.
“I know the word ‘father’ is problematic for those whose experience of earthly fathers has been destructive and abusive, and for all of us who have laboured rather too much from an oppressively patriarchal grip on life,” he said.
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:53 pm to Smeg
Has to be a bee article
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:54 pm to Smeg
He has to go.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:55 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
Anglicans, so probably real.
As Tucker said, they're not even Christians anymore in any doctrinal sense.
As Tucker said, they're not even Christians anymore in any doctrinal sense.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:02 pm to Smeg
These church leaders are not even Christians.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:05 pm to bird35
Evil is oozing it's way into everything.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:21 pm to Smeg
The Church of England is on the fast track to perdition
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:35 pm to Smeg
quote:Is that the take away? How about our Heavenly Father is good and not abusive, or that He shows unconditional love to us through the redemption offered through Jesus?
I know the word ‘father’ is problematic for those whose experience of earthly fathers has been destructive and abusive, and for all of us who have laboured rather too much from an oppressively patriarchal grip on life
We are rebels deserving of damnation, but God loved us while we were still sinners and sent His son to die for us.
This is the type of comment that comes from a rejection of God’s Word.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:43 pm to Smeg
LINK ]What Does the Bible Say About God as Our Father? - Crossway.org
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But in the New Testament, although God remains holy and majestic in our eyes, Jesus adds a strikingly clear emphasis on God as Father—both his Father and our Father (John 20:17). It is Jesus who calls God “Abba, Father” (Mark 14:36). It is Jesus who teaches us to pray to God as our Father (Matt. 6:9). It is the Spirit of the Son who leads us into intimacy with God as our own Abba Father (Gal. 4:6). Now we know that, as our Father, God cares for us and provides for us (Matt. 6:25–34). As our Father, he hears and answers our prayers (Matt. 7:7–11). As our Father, he disciplines us (Heb. 12:3–11). As our Father, he receives us and forgives us and rejoices over us when in repentance we come home to him (Luke 15:11–32). That God the Father has made himself God our Father means that he is personally, emotionally, and even sacrificially involved with us.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 10:44 pm to Smeg
Prophecy is being fulfilled.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:29 pm to Iron Lion
It really is on the fast track. It’s amazing how quick so many denominations (Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, Catholic, etc.) have become apostate. These are incredible (and exciting) times.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:33 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Anglicans, so probably real.
As Tucker said, they're not even Christians anymore in any doctrinal sense.
True. The Church of England, The Episcopal Church here in the US, and others have either jettisoned all that is distinctly Christian doctrinally or so changed the meanings of liturgical words and worship and theological teachings that they have become heretical.
I am always compelled to defend the fairly numerous numbers of Anglicans who have not bowed the knee to Ba’al and adhere to the Faith as handed down from the Apostles, what has been believed at all times by all Christians.
Conservative. Traditional. Liturgical. Biblical.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:34 pm to Smeg
The Lord is going to be backed up like a Buccees on judgement day.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:37 pm to Elihu
quote:To be fair, the PCUSA has been bad for years, but most Presbyterian denominations are still fighting the good fight for orthodoxy and Christ-centered faithfulness to the Scriptures.
It really is on the fast track. It’s amazing how quick so many denominations (Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, Catholic, etc.) have become apostate. These are incredible (and exciting) times.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 11:46 pm to Elihu
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Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, Catholic
One if these is not like the other
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:36 am to Smeg
This guy is a nut. I refuse to give Our Father a different pronoun.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:39 am to geauxpurple
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I refuse to give Our Father a different pronoun.
Right. Or, subsequently rename the prayer.
The time to turn the other cheek has come and completely gone.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 1:29 am to Smeg
quote:
problematic” because of their patriarchal association.
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“I know the word ‘father’ is problematic for those whose experience of earthly fathers has been destructive and abusive
Societal problems stem largely from renegade males at war against God and his Kingdom who abdicate their duties and responsibilities towards God, their families, and their neighbors. Most abusive and destructive fathers come from within these ranks.
The problem is not God or a patriarchy.
It’s sinful, fallen men. The archbishop is dangerously misinformed, misguided, and mistaken. He’s leading his sheep into dangerous water.
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 10:20 am
Posted on 7/8/23 at 1:33 am to Smeg
I would guess he had an an issue with his father growing up and is now extending his grudge.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 1:37 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Has to be a bee article
Sadly the top of the Catholic church now worship the devil. I am Catholic. These priest and cardinals and the false Pope are not. Just like most of the republicans in DC are really Dims.
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