re: Police Absurdities

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Heck, the "I smell something" one is an easy one. There are cops out there who have records where less than 10% of their "I smell something" searches turn up anything.

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A, marijuana is very easy to detect by smell, and for years seemed to be a very reasonable basis for probable cause.

B, because it lingers and can be easily transferred by other smokers, it was recently ruled unconstitutional as a basis alone for probable cause.

So your point is moot on this one. Besides, how disingenuous you are for simply saying “I smell something”, knowing full well that marijuana and other drugs like crack have a very distinctive smell.

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typical Dex Morgan thread

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Sigh.

Dex is on the board right now. Why on Earth would I also be Dex?

And, regardless, what's wrong with the thread? Answer. Nada

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typical Dex Morgan thread

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Hi Roger...

Good to see another true conservative shining the light on the remaining roaches fostered by the establishment GOP.

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A, marijuana is very easy to detect by smell,

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Also, the problem with allowing "I smell something" isn't that it SHOULD be a decent metric. It's that there is exactly zero ability to cross examine someone's nose.

We need to stop acting like cops aren't human. Like they aren't prone to take advantage if you give them such a goddamned wide open window to lie.

Just like telling everyone its a horrible crime to question women screaming rape led inevitably to women realizing they could lie with ease.....or telling minorities they can scream bigotry without repurcussions led to tons of lying...........telling cops who have an incentive to search cars that they can use their damned noses as justification.............

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I honstly don't know how "wrong address" EVER happens. Even without shooting.

Yet not only does it happen, it happens a lot!

And I don't mean, "bad address given by informant" shite. I mean, literally, they were told to go to 104 and somehow end up busting in 106.

To even make such a mistake shows a complete disregard for the public. In my view, such mistakes happen because in the absence of REAL consequences, the police take way too big a "sorry my bad" attitude towards such frick ups.

There is a general attitude among cops that if you get arrested and it turns out to be a "whoops" and you get released, that it's no big deal. Like, "why are you bitching, it turned out OK".

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Can you provide any kind of specific stats to back up this claim? Any percentages of wrong vs. right address?

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Some officers have less than a 10% hit rate on their "smell something" searches.

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I’d like to see this data. I can’t imagine how they would even be able to calculate such a stat. 10% seems extremely low, but the point that the “hit rate” is remarkably low is not surprising.

However, your assumption that cops were lying every time or even most of the time when there was no “hit” is just anti-cop biased fantasy.

As we have agreed, marijuana is so penetrating that it’s not surprising that the smell will remain long after it’s all smoked, or if the person who smoked has the smell on them long after they left the place where they smoked. That’s why they have recently stopped allowing it as a basis for probable cause.

But don’t confuse my argument. I’m not saying there aren’t bad cops, either corrupt or simply overly aggressive and authoritarian. Your over-broad and hyperbolic representations contribute to an anti-cop bias that is already out of control and causing more criminality.

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However, your assumption that cops were lying every time or even most of the time when there was no “hit” is just anti-cop biased fantasy.

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My assumption is that 1 of 2 things is irretrievably true.

1. They lied.

2. That clearly, there is no legal justification for continuing the use of "smell" as justification.

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As we have agreed, marijuana is so penetrating that it’s not surprising that the smell will remain long after it’s all smoked, or if the person who smoked has the smell on them long after they left the place where they smoked. That’s why they have recently stopped allowing it as a basis for probable cause.

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They really haven't Oh, I get it. The courts decided. LOL. The courts also decided that it was illegal to extend a traffic stop beyond the time it takes to give the ticket solely to bring in a canine. And, it took the police about 5 minutes to figure out their way around that.

Which is the point. They are frickING GOVERNMENT AGENTS. They act EXACTLY like all the other government agencies we conservatives mistrust. Have you seen the games they play now to give canines time to arrive? It's comical.

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But don’t confuse my argument. I’m not saying there aren’t bad cops,

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I don't really care about bad cops. Bad people are in every group. I care that the supposedly good cops do nothing which means, THEY are bad too!

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Your over-broad and hyperbolic representations contribute to an anti-cop bias that is already out of control and causing more criminality.

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"Leadership" by "good cops" in North Carolina didn't notice as one of their officers somehow had roughly 4x the number of search/drug busts as any other officer in the unit for nearly 4 fricking years! It took a new ADA showing up to notice the oddity and eventually, catch him planting drugs on his own damned body cam.

That was NOT "one bad cop". Sorry. It just wasn't.

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That’s the very definition of one bad cop, along with bad oversight apparently.

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Which is the point. It's why conservatives should treat thre police EXACTLY the way we treat all government agents.

The incentives are all perverse and can't help but create the environment he found himself in. His behavior brought both him and his bosses positive recognition and reward. Thus, the obvious questions were never asked or ignored.

And no, there is no way to fix the incentives.

Police, like all government agencies, are a necessary evil. We have to have them for decent society. But should ALWAYS recognize they are a necessary EVIL

I notice that no one seems to want to touch the issue of canines. Yet, this is one of the more comical things we tolerate. Canine use has been repeatedly shown to be shaky. Yet, the defense is always that they do well when "tested".

I'm like, good fricking god, have none of you ever owned an animal? Even a well trained one? You know what animals are especially good at? Knowing what their owners want.

I've ridden horses all my life and now my daughter does too. Ya know what happens when you get on your horse in a shitty mood? The horse often reflects that mood.

The numbers CLEARLY show that the dogs are very "meh" in real life and that's before you get to the cops who have been busted "helping" the dogs "hit".

So, people get the privilege of being pulled over......having some cop INTENTIONALLY prolong the top.......having a dog hop arounod on all over their car with sharp nails scratching their paint...........for a "method" that has barely better than a coin flip chance of being correct.

AND, a method that has literally zero way to counter in terms of being "justfied". How many people could EVER prove the handler "helped" the dog? And, handler's ain't dumb(for the most part). Getting caught on camera has happened, but rarely.