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re: Tommy John - Not If, but When?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 4:15 pm to lsu777
Posted on 5/3/23 at 4:15 pm to lsu777
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never said increased velo isnt a contributing factor
We agree on velocity. Check.
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Overuse is a major factor.
Biomechanics is a major factor.
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never said these were not issues, i said they are not the major issues
Disagree here. All 4 factors I mentioned are major contributing factors in general. For a specific player it could be one factor. Very seldom will you see a UCL injury on a baseball player that has not played a lot of baseball from a young age and up. Studies have demonstrated this. In your own posts you talk about fatigue as a factor. This can come from acute fatigue related to that day. It can also come from fatigue of too much baseball and overhand throwing that is cumulative from playing multiple positions and higher numbers of games in a short period of time. This is a fact that has changed with the advent of year round travel ball over the past 25 years.
Biomechanics are absolutely a major issue. You talked about this yourself in a post about stride length, tailing leg drag and the inverted W. This is one of a several factors that place more stress on the arm. This is a major factor in UCL injuries. Strength can help overcome some of this, but not all of it.
You can do all the strength work in the world and use the app and still get a UCL injury if you have been playing a ton of baseball since you were young and if your biomechanics are deficient, you are at risk. The research is very clear on this.
What is interesting is armcare.com lists several schools as users of the app that have had UCL injuries this season, along with just about every season. Why is that?
A combination of overuse, biomechanics, increased velocity, and strength is why.
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 5:43 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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Disagree here. All 4 factors I mentioned are major contributing factors in general. For a specific player it could be one factor. Very seldom will you see a UCL injury on a baseball player that has not played a lot of baseball from a young age and up. Studies have demonstrated this. In your own posts you talk about fatigue as a factor. This can come from acute fatigue related to that day. It can also come from fatigue of too much baseball and overhand throwing that is cumulative from playing multiple positions and higher numbers of games in a short period of time. This is a fact that has changed with the advent of year round travel ball over the past 25 years.
Guess I miss worded that, too much mound throwing especially before prepared to do so is a problem. I just don’t see it nearly as often as people assume on here.
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Biomechanics are absolutely a major issue. You talked about this yourself in a post about stride length, tailing leg drag and the inverted W. This is one of a several factors that place more stress on the arm. This is a major factor in UCL injuries. Strength can help overcome some of this, but not all of it.
Again agree and guess I didn’t word correctly. Biomechanics is kind of a two part deal though. Kids can throw harder due to better biomechanics but also many still have major issues that most pitching coaches do not know
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You can do all the strength work in the world and use the app and still get a UCL injury if you have been playing a ton of baseball since you were young and if your biomechanics are deficient, you are at risk. The research is very clear on this.
There is no research that shows meeting certain strength metrics and still playing often leads to higher risk. There isn’t at all. But there is lots of research that shows meeting the metrics decreases the risk big time
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What is interesting is armcare.com lists several schools as users of the app that have had UCL injuries this season, along with just about every season. Why is that?
Simple, disregard for the data. If it tells you…hey you have fatigue, you are at risk or hey you have a mobility issue that puts you at higher risk but you go out and throw anyways….nothing you can do about it lol.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 7:46 pm to deathvalleytiger10
quote:One is more prevalent than the others and is a larger factor. They are not all equal. Overuse, Biomechanics, and deficient strength would mean more shoulder injuries too… but that’s not happening. The only correlation between the increase in UCL tears is the increase in velocity. Overuse hasn’t suddenly increased… kids are stronger not weaker… the biomechanics are better overall not worse. It’s the increase in speed and it happening earlier and earlier.
A combination of overuse, biomechanics, increased velocity, and strength is why.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 7:49 pm
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