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re: Jay’s Moves Look Much Better Now?
Posted on 4/30/23 at 9:46 am to TDTiger225
Posted on 4/30/23 at 9:46 am to TDTiger225
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It worked out well, that was not done by intention
WTF do you guys come from? It worked out well and it absoluty was intentional. Did it go exactly according to his plan? No. Did every move he make work out exactly as he intended? Obviously not
Then you are agreeing with me?????
Not going to plan = not done intentionally.
Or do you think JJ didn't want to have Guidry record an out and Cooper do the same? I'm not following this logic if there is one.
JJ had every intention of Guidry finishing the last 5 outs, it did not go to plan that means it wasn't intended or intentional.
Yes it worked out which is what I said, but it was not the plan intended.
It worked out well, that was not done by intention
WTF do you guys come from? It worked out well and it absoluty was intentional. Did it go exactly according to his plan? No. Did every move he make work out exactly as he intended? Obviously not
Then you are agreeing with me?????
Not going to plan = not done intentionally.
Or do you think JJ didn't want to have Guidry record an out and Cooper do the same? I'm not following this logic if there is one.
JJ had every intention of Guidry finishing the last 5 outs, it did not go to plan that means it wasn't intended or intentional.
Yes it worked out which is what I said, but it was not the plan intended.
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Posted on 4/30/23 at 9:52 am to WhiteMandingo
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Then you are agreeing with me?????
Not going to plan = not done intentionally.
Or do you think JJ didn't want to have Guidry record an out and Cooper do the same? I'm not following this logic if there is one.
JJ had every intention of Guidry finishing the last 5 outs, it did not go to plan that means it wasn't intended or intentional.
Yes it worked out which is what I said, but it was not the plan intended.
This is the precisely the logical black hole that people are arguing from. Trying to say that he made the right decision, because the first two didn't get it done, but the last one did. Well if Jay knew that Hurd would get it done, why wasn't he warmed and ready to be the first guy in after he took Ack out?
If Thatcher was the 4th pitcher to enter in the inning, what does that say about Jay's plan? He clearly didn't plan on that sequence of events, but instead of saying "good job, Hurd", they're saying it was a great coaching decision. Well how many options did he have left? It's like trying to reason with walls around here, sometimes.
Posted on 4/30/23 at 12:06 pm to WhiteMandingo
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Not going to plan = not done intentionally.
You are presuming he didn’t have contingencies in place stating it that way. It’s clear his plan was to use Ackenhausen and Cooper as situational pitchers against lefties with Guidry as Plan A and Hurd as Plan B to close out the game (and likely Collins as Plan C). This wasn’t a case of him trusting only Ack and Guidry to get it done then having to throw up a prayer when that didn’t work.
I get that you didn’t trust Hurd in that situation. My first reaction to how it played out was the same as yours. The criticism now presumes Johnson had no reason to trust Hurd. It also presumes Ackenhausen could have been stretched out further as the Plan B in the case Guidry didn’t have it, which he didn’t. I think it also puts more faith in Guidry than is warranted. He looked good against Ole Miss, but didn’t have it against Kentucky or last night. Those are his last 3 outings with 2 of them being poor.
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