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re: Is it time for Fred to go?

Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:42 am to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:42 am to
Devil's advocate I have been thinking about for awhile:

The results do not match the reputation.

Fred is considered one of the best shooting coaches in the game...

Yet our team can't shoot for shite. One of the worst 3 point shooting and shooting overall teams in the entire league.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:55 am to
He’s not an omnipotent magical being that can simultaneously fix everyone in one offseason

If you go search for the article on his process, that was posted here in the off-season, it’s an incredibly rigorous and time consuming process that requires a ton of commitment. He basically starts from first principles on everything you do. Where for a month you might only be shooting with your primary hand(no guide hand), 5 feet from the basket for a month to retrain muscle memory. It would be impossible to have Vinson do that for literally every player in one offseason.

Herb was last years guy, Daniels was this years.

Herb has regressed/not progressed like many had hoped, but Vinson’s track record is better than anyone you could name in the league.

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61582 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:59 am to
We're probably crazy for expecting guys to shoot better in a relatively short time. Sure if you're doing it wrong like Lonzo was you can probably get quicker results, but if you're not a naturally good shooter and it's mainly about getting your 10,000 hours in, that's going to take a while.

Let's say they can shoot for 2 hours a day in season and 6 hours a day out of season. In season = 9 months, Out of season = 3 months. That's roughly 1080 hours a year. It would take nearly a decade to hit the 10,000 hour mark.
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