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NYT: Fox Stars Privately Expressed Disbelief About Election Fraud Claims. ‘Crazy Stuff.’
Posted on 2/16/23 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 2/16/23 at 7:54 pm
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Newly disclosed messages and testimony from some of the biggest stars and most senior executives at Fox News revealed that they privately expressed disbelief about President Donald J. Trump’s false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him, even though the network continued to promote many of those lies on the air.
The hosts Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, as well as others at the company, repeatedly insulted and mocked Trump advisers, including Sidney Powell and Rudolph W. Giuliani, in text messages with each other in the weeks after the election, according to a legal filing on Thursday by Dominion Voting Systems. Dominion is suing Fox for defamation in a case that poses considerable financial and reputational risk for the country’s most-watched cable news network.
“Sidney Powell is lying by the way. I caught her. It’s insane,” Mr. Carlson wrote to Ms. Ingraham on Nov. 18, 2020.
Ms. Ingraham responded: “Sidney is a complete nut. No one will work with her. Ditto with Rudy.”
Mr. Carlson continued, “Our viewers are good people and they believe it,” he added, making clear that he did not.
The messages also show that such doubts extended to the highest levels of the Fox Corporation, with Rupert Murdoch, its chairman, calling Mr. Trump’s voter fraud claims “really crazy stuff.”
On one occasion, as Mr. Murdoch watched Mr. Giuliani and Ms. Powell on television, he told Suzanne Scott, chief executive of Fox News Media, “Terrible stuff damaging everybody, I fear.”
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In a statement on Thursday, a Fox spokesman said, “Dominion has mischaracterized the record, cherry-picked quotes stripped of key context and spilled considerable ink on facts that are irrelevant under black-letter principles of defamation law.”
The brief shows that Fox News stars and executives were afraid of losing their audience, which started to defect to the conservative cable news alternatives Newsmax and OAN after Fox News called Arizona for Mr. Biden. And they seemed concerned with the impact that would have on the network’s profitability.
On Nov. 12, in a group text chain among Ms. Ingraham, Mr. Carlson and Mr. Hannity, Mr. Carlson pointed to a tweet in which a Fox reporter, Jacqui Heinrich, fact-checked a tweet from Mr. Trump referring to Fox broadcasts and said there was no evidence of voter fraud from Dominion.
“Please get her fired, ”Mr. Carlson said. He added: “It needs to stop immediately, like tonight. It’s measurably hurting the company. The stock price is down. Not a joke.” Ms. Heinrich had deleted her tweet by the next morning.
The details offer more than dramatic vignettes from inside a news organization where internal disputes rarely spill into public view. They are pieces of evidence that a jury could use to weigh whether to find Fox liable for significant financial damages. Dominion is asking for $1.6 billion as compensation for the damage it says it suffered as Fox guests and hosts claimed, for instance, that Dominion’s voting machines had been designed to rig elections for the Venezuelan autocrat Hugo Chavez and were equipped with an algorithm that could erase votes from one candidate and give them to another.
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At times, Fox employees are described as disparaging one another. The president of the network, Jay Wallace, is quoted at one point criticizing the former Fox Business host Lou Dobbs — one of the biggest megaphones for Mr. Trump’s lies. “The North Koreans do a more nuanced show” than Mr. Dobbs, the brief says.
On Nov. 6, 2020, three days after Election Day, as Mr. Biden pulled into the lead, Mr. Murdoch told Ms. Scott in an email that it was going to be “very hard to credibly cry foul everywhere,” and noted that “if Trump becomes a sore loser, we should watch Sean especially,” referring to Mr. Hannity.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 7:56 pm to thejuiceisloose
Man, you hate to see it
Posted on 2/16/23 at 7:57 pm to thejuiceisloose
Ingraham and Carlson are the two smartest on Fox, so…
Posted on 2/16/23 at 7:57 pm to baybeefeetz
No there they are rinos
Posted on 2/16/23 at 7:59 pm to thejuiceisloose
Isn’t this old news? I thought we all knew this already?
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:00 pm to thejuiceisloose
We need to define Election Fraud.
Ballot Harvesting inner cities is unethical and is straight corruption of the ballot. Ineligible voters voting is fraud. That is what happened
The count was not a fraud.
Ballot Harvesting inner cities is unethical and is straight corruption of the ballot. Ineligible voters voting is fraud. That is what happened
The count was not a fraud.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:00 pm to thejuiceisloose
Riiiggghhhtttttt!!!!!!!
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:00 pm to thejuiceisloose
quote:
very hard to credibly cry foul everywhere,”
This is the fundamental flaw with Trump’s assertion about 2020. That not even getting into his habit of alleging fraud in prior elections
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:01 pm to Gatorsingreenville
quote:
No there they are rinos
Nope. They are all pretty solid.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:03 pm to boosiebadazz
Go ahead and make your case as to why mail in ballots aren’t rife with fraud. I’ll hang up and listen
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:04 pm to DiamondDog
Bottom line is more living, cognizant people in this country voted for Trump. How they came up with 80+million for the old, racist retard, only they know the truth. We have pretty good ideas though on how they did it.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:04 pm to baybeefeetz
These statement only impugned one person and the usual Trump derision and delusion.
The election was stolen - there is much anecdotal, statistical aberration' other clarifying elements to the truth.
It is nice to see that Fox has some new fans on here.
I have not had the first thing to do with their "product" since election theft 2020 - and never again will.
Carlson remains the only one I trust among them. His mention of Powell is only an understanding divergent from his usual..
Nice to see you useful idiot hippie warmongers so interested in fox - for what they may ever be worth.
and BTW, the 2020 election was stolen as were many in the 2022 elections
The election was stolen - there is much anecdotal, statistical aberration' other clarifying elements to the truth.
It is nice to see that Fox has some new fans on here.
I have not had the first thing to do with their "product" since election theft 2020 - and never again will.
Carlson remains the only one I trust among them. His mention of Powell is only an understanding divergent from his usual..
Nice to see you useful idiot hippie warmongers so interested in fox - for what they may ever be worth.
and BTW, the 2020 election was stolen as were many in the 2022 elections
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:05 pm to thejuiceisloose
I think most of Fox other than Tucker is worthless, but I always shook my head at the people on here crying that they didn't cover election fraud. What could they do other than maybe roll some tape of Ruby Freeman? They didn't want to end up endorsing garbage like this:

Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:07 pm to Proximo
It's not what you know, it's what you can prove. Trump didn't have the proof and that's why I thought Jan 6 was reckless and stupid.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:08 pm to frogtown
You silly bastards know you cheated.
You can’t own it though.
Which makes you Pussies.
It’s just a message board
You can’t own it though.
Which makes you Pussies.
It’s just a message board
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:08 pm to thejuiceisloose
The election was stolen.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:09 pm to thejuiceisloose
I’m old enough to remember when concern over electronic election fraud was a topic of legitimate conversation in the MSM.
At least it was until the dementia ward escapee miraculously turned around his floundering campaign in the Democratic Primary and ended up emerging as the most popular politician in American electoral history.
Funny how that worked out, isn’t it?
Media Narrative 2023:
“Any talk of interference or manipulation of electronic election voting systems should be relegated to the realm of the Trumpian lunatic fringe.”
2016:
2017:
2018:
2019:
2020:
At least it was until the dementia ward escapee miraculously turned around his floundering campaign in the Democratic Primary and ended up emerging as the most popular politician in American electoral history.
Funny how that worked out, isn’t it?
Media Narrative 2023:
“Any talk of interference or manipulation of electronic election voting systems should be relegated to the realm of the Trumpian lunatic fringe.”
2016:
2017:
2018:
2019:
2020:
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:11 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:so infinitely more intelligent than you
Ingraham and Carlson are the two smartest on Fox, so…
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:12 pm to DiamondDog
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We need to define Election Fraud.

Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:12 pm to thejuiceisloose
You do realize they never actually investigated whether there was election fraud, right?
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