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re: Social Security - Help me understand better

Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:50 am to
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
2553 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:50 am to
“The single biggest problem with SS is the dark nasty secret that our government has been borrowing from the funds for so long that there is no chance of it ever being paid back... “

This is/was the problem.. politicians of the past “borrowed from it”….

They say the public would not be as responsible if it was self directed… but I guarantee you I did NOT borrow from my 401 before retirement..

My opinion.. leave my investment alone politicians and fix what you broke….

Btw… how is that Washington politician retirement and medical looking.. let’s cut that!
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118977 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:56 am to
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My opinion.. leave my investment alone politicians and fix what you broke….


It's not broken.

It's working perfectly fine. Politicians are just aggravated they have to allocate such a large part of the budget to SS every year.

But the costs of working perfectly fine is inflation and less individual spending power.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46283 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 3:54 pm to
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They say the public would not be as responsible if it was self directed… but I guarantee you I did NOT borrow from my 401 before retirement..

My opinion.. leave my investment alone politicians and fix what you broke…. Btw… how is that Washington politician retirement and medical looking.. let’s cut that!


I’ve run the numbers but I’ll do it again. If you take the typical two income middle class household with a couple in their early 60’s, they have earned over that + 40 year period easily over $3 million…..that’s averaging roughly $75k annually.

Now take $3million x .153 = $460k (.153 is the combined tax rate of employee and employer for Social Security and Medicare)

That’s ^^^^^ the amount of Social Security and Medicare taxes paid by this married couple during their working lives, now imagine if that $460k were in a restricted investment, (restricted meaning you have no access to the investment until you are of retirement age) if that money was in a simple bond fund or treasuries or a broad S+P/Dow mutual fund, with an annual return of 4-5% the investment would have grown to well over $1 million dollars by the time that couple retired.
Posted by patchesohoulihan_007
Member since Jul 2015
2064 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 5:19 pm to
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The single biggest problem with SS is the dark nasty secret that our government has been borrowing from the funds for so long that there is no chance of it ever being paid back..


This.

Add SS(as we’ve known for a long time) to the long line of examples, programs, responsibilities, ect that the government screwed up, wasted, and flat out embezzled.

Name one good thing the government runs correctly. A single facet of anything the government controls that is efficient and successful, sans maybe the military. But when you spend more than the next 8 countries combined you sure as shite better not come in first place.

It blows my mind how the anyone in their right mind can continue to vote for the government to have more power, more money, more control, less freedoms for the people, when the government has demonstrated time and time again it is completely inept running anything.
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