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re: Could it be Satan Blatant Satanism at the Grammys
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:53 am to oogabooga68
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:53 am to oogabooga68
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I accept your tapout
Hardly. You're being a sophist.
There is no evidence of occult satanism of any meaningful scale. There have been studies and books written on this.
There is occultism/Magik and there is Satanism (2 churches, both atheist), but not occult Satanism. At least nothing that's truly been found other than small groups of vile kids or a psychologically deranged person latching onto Satanism like Richard Ramirez
At best you get Satanic Panic examples or rehashing of Satanic Panic examples
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 10:54 am
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is no evidence of occult satanism of any meaningful scale
Define "meaningful scale".
Be exact and link your work as to the accepted parameters of what a consensus of experts consider a "meaningful scale", not just one or two authors.
Exact numbers only.
Go ahead, be precise and link valid sources.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
I haven't changed the subject.
You made the assertion that satanism culture/exhibitionism will "never be normalized." As a counter-argument, I simply provided an observable phenomena that could have possibly been considered "extreme" many decades ago but is now trending as mainstream culture in our current society.
You made the assertion that satanism culture/exhibitionism will "never be normalized." As a counter-argument, I simply provided an observable phenomena that could have possibly been considered "extreme" many decades ago but is now trending as mainstream culture in our current society.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:58 am to TigerBlood62
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That's right, you stupid conservatives! You are not allowed to have grievances with Satanic performances on national TV sponsored by Pfizer! And if you do, you're a useful fricking pleb! You will also learn to like drag shows at schools and restaurants, and soon the Church of Satan will have abortion clinics all over the country, but don't you dare voice your concerns about our cultural rot, you ignorant Christians!
TigerBlood62 - Well said sir!
SFP is like Pastor Niemoller in Germany who penned, first they came for the.....fill in the blank for current times.
One does not need to act like a useful idiot to be reviled at this utter nonsense brought to you by their Useful Idiots.
Call it what it is and move on. I am not losing any sleep over it but to stick your head in the sand and act like it's not there won't make it go away.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:00 am to oogabooga68
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Where do you think they got their band name?
Mental gymnastics because you like their tunes. That’s ok.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:01 am to Mo Jeaux
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Mental gymnastics
Or a direct quote from the band maybe....
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:01 am to oogabooga68
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Define "meaningful scale".
I basically did right after that.
There are small groups of no real power, often troubled teenagers.
There are mentally insane and deranged people.
Both latch onto it more than having it lead them.
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Exact numbers only.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Ed Orgeron ? Weak. You missed the point there like you do here. Because you are HOPELESSLY attached to your opinions. They are your one true God.
Highest state of morality ? Lol. No son, there is nothing new under the sun. We are as vile as the ancients. We just have stronger Institutions and social compacts. That’s a good thing, I’d agree. If you compare us to primordial ooze, I’d say there has been an improvement. But really, you just make the same recency bias arguments over and over ( low murder ,low slavery ) to avoid my observation. And that is this:
Societies rise and fall. It’s a human constant. We are a decade removed from razing the Middle East. On my tv today nutjobs we’re calling for aggression against China, Russia etc. Things can change on a dime. And they will.
So that being the case, we should make common cause in ELEVATING. We have a common interest in having healthy institutions and a healthy culture. The healthier the more beneficial. American society has degraded so fast since 2000 in so many tiny ways. From getting a hamburger to talking to each other. It’s just a race to the bottom. I’m happy about slavery and no recent world war but I’m also paying attention to these human patterns. And I see a much higher percentage of people willing to declare for Nihilistic chaos than in previous decades of my life. More and more people are actively rooting against themselves, trying to create an unsustainable moral, spiritual and intellectual culture. I travel internationally and feel a bit sadder every time I return, despite our GDP and your observation that there was once a depression, a dust bowl and a civil war . It’s an unmeasurable attitude shift, a new spirit of National Suicide, and I’d rather not ignore it.
Highest state of morality ? Lol. No son, there is nothing new under the sun. We are as vile as the ancients. We just have stronger Institutions and social compacts. That’s a good thing, I’d agree. If you compare us to primordial ooze, I’d say there has been an improvement. But really, you just make the same recency bias arguments over and over ( low murder ,low slavery ) to avoid my observation. And that is this:
Societies rise and fall. It’s a human constant. We are a decade removed from razing the Middle East. On my tv today nutjobs we’re calling for aggression against China, Russia etc. Things can change on a dime. And they will.
So that being the case, we should make common cause in ELEVATING. We have a common interest in having healthy institutions and a healthy culture. The healthier the more beneficial. American society has degraded so fast since 2000 in so many tiny ways. From getting a hamburger to talking to each other. It’s just a race to the bottom. I’m happy about slavery and no recent world war but I’m also paying attention to these human patterns. And I see a much higher percentage of people willing to declare for Nihilistic chaos than in previous decades of my life. More and more people are actively rooting against themselves, trying to create an unsustainable moral, spiritual and intellectual culture. I travel internationally and feel a bit sadder every time I return, despite our GDP and your observation that there was once a depression, a dust bowl and a civil war . It’s an unmeasurable attitude shift, a new spirit of National Suicide, and I’d rather not ignore it.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, not comparable to the show getting panties in a wad from last night
The slope is the slope, and it points in one direction. If you're older than 20 you should have learned this by now.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
LINK
Best I could find with a link and not a purchase. Go to page 18 and read
That was written at the tail end of the Satanic Panic, too.
Best I could find with a link and not a purchase. Go to page 18 and read
That was written at the tail end of the Satanic Panic, too.
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 11:06 am
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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I basically did right after that.
No, you did not.
Real numbers with links showing a consensus of experts of EXACTLY what constitutes a "meaningful scale", replete with links showing their work and how they came to that conclusion.
Go ahead.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:06 am to oogabooga68
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Or a direct quote from the band maybe....
My god, are you really this stupid? The point is completely escaping you.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:07 am to Mo Jeaux
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My god, are you really this stupid?
Probably.
Enlighten me...
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:11 am to Lsupimp
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You missed the point there like you do here
No I destroyed your point then, didn't flinch in my beliefs, and was proven true. Ed Orgeron was a terrible hire, regardless of the results-oriented thinking that intoxicated LSU fans after our outlier 2019 season.
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Lol. No son, there is nothing new under the sun. We are as vile as the ancients. We just have stronger Institutions and social compacts.
You contradict yourself back to back.
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we should make common cause in ELEVATING.
The irony of this statement in this thread is that you have to look to new sources for this elevation, which ranges from new age spiritualism to occult Magik, both of which are seen as tools of Satan by people trying to conserve (not elevate) culture.
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American society has degraded so fast since 2000 in so many tiny ways. From getting a hamburger to talking to each other. It’s just a race to the bottom
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. And I see a much higher percentage of people willing to declare for Nihilistic chaos than in previous decades of my life. More and more people are actively rooting against themselves, trying to create an unsustainable moral, spiritual and intellectual culture.
Even if I were to fully agree with these 2 statements, you've already covered this:
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Societies rise and fall.
Culture is cyclical. What you're describing is the culture that's dominated America since the Dot Com Boom, 911, and Invasion of Iraq. The issues are largely economic, too, leading to the 2008 crash, which just dragged everything back.
What we are facing isn't a cultural or philosophical devolution but an economic one. Culture and society rise and fall with economic status, and technology is changing our economy and the value of our labor faster than humans can keep up. THAT is a problem. Satanism? Not a problem.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:13 am to oogabooga68
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Real numbers with links showing a consensus of experts of EXACTLY what constitutes a "meaningful scale", replete with links showing their work and how they came to that conclusion.
There isn't enough scholarship for this because there isn't enough to study, brother. I gave you a link to ponder, though. From an expert in the field entirely.
I'm looking for a book (not sure if he wrote it or another agent) with the same conclusions.
I don't believe there are any scholarly books arguing the opposite conclusions, but feel free to post them.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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There isn't enough scholarship for this because there isn't enough to study, brother.
Thank you for admitting you are wrong, then.
You made a declarative statement about a subject which can't be properly studied, therefore it can't be verified... your own words.
Therefore, you should amend your declarative statement to say "In my opinion"....
Thank you for admitting your error....
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 11:28 am
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:29 am to oogabooga68
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Thank you for admitting you are wrong, then.
Uh, you misread.
"there isn't enough to study" means there isn't enough occult Satanism in the world to study. It's all been covered.
That's exactly my point.
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You made a declarative statement about a subject which can't be properly studied,
Strawman. It has been studied. You just won't find an industry of scholarship because the answers exist and aren't really in debate.
Again, proving my point.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm looking for a book
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I don't believe there are any scholarly books arguing the opposite conclusions
Appeal to authority.
Not to interject, but you seem to be arguing that because the individual labels their worship as "Satan" (as in the case of the teenagers you listed, or Son of Sam), then and only then is it "Satanic". Which would disregard the Hermetic traditions and all other Luciferin, or "Light-Bringer" cults and organizations, like Golden Dawn and Free Masonry, which are large organizations population-wise.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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Occult Satanism has never been found to exist on any scale, but if it does, it isn't that.
Really?
Satanic Temple unveils Baphomet statue in Arkansas Capitol
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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It has been studied.
Not enough information for an accurate study...your own words.
Nice try...
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