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re: Mind-blowing: The Economic Consequences of Being Denied an Abortion

Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:18 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:18 pm to
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Fair enough. Alas, there really isn't much of a debate about whether or not we can allow abortions at 1 day.


There isn't? Maybe I'm missing something.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:18 pm to
I mean there’s no denying it. I hope you’re ready to increase taxes to pay for it. But hey, you saved all the "babies"
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:19 pm to
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There isn't? Maybe I'm missing something.

Well, are there a bunch of women out there aware they're pregnant on day 1?

If we're talking about the morning after pill, I happen to not really care about someone using it. Other than that though, there aren't exactly lines at PP to stop 2 day old pregnancies.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:20 pm to
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there really isn't much of a debate about whether or not we can allow abortions at 1 day.
The problem is that there are MORE people who would prohibit that one-day medical abortion than the number who would support the Far Right boogyman of "partial birth abortion."
This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 4:21 pm
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:20 pm to
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I mean there’s no denying it. I hope you’re ready to increase taxes to pay for it. But hey, you saved all the "babies"

I can save us a shitload in taxes by simply euthanizing every child in a home drawing welfare.

Seems kind of like a bad idea though.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73414 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:21 pm to
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I think it's fair to say that the OP line about it creating "financial distress" is what I'm referring to.


Focusing on the latter statement in your post. Clearly there's a reason we separate these ideas.

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I'd be a traveling mother fricker with no kids.


Can confirm.
Posted by the_truman_shitshow
Member since Aug 2021
2755 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:21 pm to
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I have absolutely ZERO difficultly understanding your viewpoint. You view every genetically-unique human organism as having some great, inherent value, and that view shapes your analysis of the abortion issue. Given that underlying premise, your viewpoint makes perfect sense.


I appreciate you setting the record straight and acknowledging my viewpoint. You are correct here.

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Why are you unable to grasp that not everyone shares your viewpoint and that many people do not see any "evil" whatsoever in the early termination of an unwanted pregnancy. That THIS viewpoint makes perfect sense, if one does NOT accept the premise that a human zygote or blastocyst or embryo has some unique, special value?


In the context of a discourse which involves parties who either share or disagree on the viewpoint that a human, at the point of conception and beyond, is a "living" human being with inherent value by virtue of holding "life"/soul/consciousness, I acknowledge that this particular issue can be reduced down to a matter of one's personal belief. On the notion of "superiority", one is not justified, nor in the right, to consider oneself superior to the other for simply not agreeing with him on the matter. And I define 'superiority' here as simply 'worth' as a human being. The language that I use to make my declarations in stating my personal beliefs can certainly be interpreted as promoting self-superiority but how else are we to communicate our beliefs if without inflamed passion? - to do otherwise would be to deny our human nature, especially as it pertains to a discussion surrounding a topic which cannot be argued by strict data points and objective facts. As I mentioned before, it's a belief - and hence, a faith, and therefore a component of religion. I have mine and you have yours, apparently.

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I have never felt that my viewpoint makes me inherently or morally superior to you. Why do you insist that those who do not share your viewpoint are inherently, morally inferior?


This is a fallacious statement because morality involves being either right or wrong. It is a binary issue. If you are on the other side of the aisle, then by virtue of me being on the opposite side of the aisle is a statement in and of itself that I am "morally superior". You say the same thing about yourself by simply standing on the opposite side of me.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
15865 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:21 pm to
Welcome to Earth.
We tell obese people they are healthy and women get abortions because kids don’t raise themselves.
Society is fricked and there’s no going back.
It happened to the Romans and we are next.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:22 pm to
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The problem is that there are MORE people who would prohibit that one-day abortion than the number who would support the Far Right boogyman of "partial birth abortion."

Um, we had actual state legislatures get majority votes with nearly 100% Dem support removing ALL limits on abortion right up to the baby traveling down the canal.

What the frick are you talking about? It's not even close.
Posted by AUHighPlainsDrifter
South Carolina
Member since Sep 2017
3121 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:22 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 4:23 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73414 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:22 pm to
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Well, are there a bunch of women out there aware they're pregnant on day 1?

If we're talking about the morning after pill, I happen to not really care about someone using it. Other than that though, there aren't exactly lines at PP to stop 2 day old pregnancies.


Sure. But then this necessitates a stopping point. And then we go in circles. The mother not knowing at one day or two days isn't all that relevant when discussing the morality of the act.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124550 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:23 pm to
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I mean there’s no denying it. I hope you’re ready to increase taxes to pay for it. But hey, you saved all the "babies"
Abortion is not birth control. Sorry.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:23 pm to
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If you are on the other side of the aisle, then by virtue of me being on the opposite side of the aisle is a statement in and of itself that I am "morally superior". You say the same thing about yourself by simply standing on the opposite side of me.
meh. I believe that vanilla is superior to chocolate, and you believe the opposite. That does not make either of us immoral.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
29358 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:25 pm to
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I can save us a shitload in taxes by simply euthanizing every child in a home drawing welfare.

Seems kind of like a bad idea though.



You’re talking about killing wanted already born viable people though, I’m not at all.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
29358 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:26 pm to
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Abortion is not birth control. Sorry.



There’s no difference really.
Posted by hogcard1964
Illinois
Member since Jan 2017
10739 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:26 pm to
It doesn't matter how they "view" it. It's evil.
Posted by djmed
Member since Aug 2020
2613 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:29 pm to
yea, no mention of the financial burden to have babies out of wedlock that get on the gov tit

yet i have to buy a license to go fishing
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124550 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:30 pm to
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The problem is that there are MORE people who would prohibit that one-day medical abortion than the number who would support the Far Right boogyman of "partial birth abortion."
Late term abortion is the term you're searching for.

Which Democrat Congress members have come out against Late-Term Abortions?

Which members of the Administration have come out against Late-Term Abortions?

List the Democrats who labeled Gov Ralph Northum a ghoul for saying a live baby born during a failed late term abortion should be laid on a metal table and allowed to slowly die there.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124550 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:31 pm to
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There’s no difference really.
After 22 weeks there is one hell of a difference, really.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:33 pm to
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What the frick are you talking about? It's not even close.
I make a distinction between real people and the hyper-partisans that the primary system sends to our statehouses, but few states allow elective abortions in the birth canal. In fact, only six allow abortion after 24 weeks.

Those votes mostly involved pure fear of the slippery slope, IMO.
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