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I guarantee you you don’t understand what you are watching the way coaches do, you also have no idea what’s happening in practice, from study etc.

How so? Because you do understand what you are watching? OK.

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At best you just prefer a different style of QB but you do not see 1 is better and Kelly does not.

I prefer a QB who plays the position like he understands what is happening. I guess you just do not get this. You think Daniels is a good QB. Good for you. I do not think he can win a championship without a completely elite "supporting cast". He is easily confused which leads him to run when it is not the best thing to do. 43 sacks last year.

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That’s not the same thing as which QB should start.

The point here, friend, is that coaches can be mistaken, sometimes severely so. I am convinced that Miles thought that a good QB was not at all important. I also think that he has borderline intelligence. Kelly is completely different in that regard, but I think he may be a bit of an egotist which could affect his judgment. We may learn that keeping Polian in charge of ST is a mistake. Same possibly with bringing Daniels back. To me that is big part of the enjoyment of following the game.

Have a nice day.

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Posted by H-Town Tiger

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Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:12 pm to White Tiger

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How so? Because you do understand what you are watching

No i don't, that's the point. The coaches have more information than you, the have coaches film, they work with the players in practice, you think because you can observe some players are better than others when its obvious, like Burrow vs say Brandon Harris, that you can always tell the difference when you can't. Most of you thinking you understand is 20/20 hindsight (which you admit at the end. You also treat the perfect as the enemy of the good.

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I prefer a QB who plays the position like he understands what is happening. I guess you just do not get this

I get it, you are an arrogant moron. The fact you think Daniels doesn't understand whats happening shows how little you know. In no other profession do rank amateurs think they know more than the people doing it

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You think Daniels is a good QB. Good for you.

He is unquestionably a good QB, this is what i mean by treating the perfect as the enemy of the good.

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I do not think he can win a championship without a completely elite "supporting cast". He

that applies to everyone

or at least 99.9%, who recently won without an elite supporting cast? Newton i guess and he's an absolute freak.

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The point here, friend, is that coaches can be mistaken, sometimes severely so.

of course they can make mistakes, they are human. The problem is you think you know more than when what you are really using is 20/20 hindsight. Its easy to say who should start when you are watching on TV, its not so easy when its your job on the line and you've been watching them practice all spring and summer.

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I am convinced that Miles thought that a good QB was not at all important.

Well Saban won titles with Greg McElroy and Jake Coker. He won the SEC and got to the playoff with Blake who they had converted to WR. Smart just won B2B with a walkon who he ran off once and wasn't starting until the starter got hurt. Miles biggest problem was he wasn't as good as Saban and the program started slipping not just bad QBs.

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We may learn that keeping Polian in charge of ST is a mistake. Same possibly with bringing Daniels back.

and here is where you admit you are using 20/20 hindsight. The ST last year was awful, there's no denying that, but Polian also has recruiting responsibilities and that has been outstanding. He's coaches ST before and wasn't bad. Where i differ from people is i don't think its that big of a deal. As the roster gets better, we don't have the depth yet, things like return coverage will be better just by having better athletes.

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Posted by Scoob

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Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:18 pm to White Tiger

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I prefer a QB who plays the position like he understands what is happening. I guess you just do not get this.

I also prefer a QB that understands what's happening.
I guess we agree to disagree on this... Nussmeier, in his limited playing time, had some costly turnovers. Several interceptions in the redzone. Those are killer mistakes, far more harmful to the team than a slower release.

Daniels does hold the ball, no argument there. He does pass late a fair bit. Those late passes aren't translating into interceptions, where he missed the guy being open in his window, then went late and the defense recovered and picked it off. THAT would be a very bad issue. Again, he isn't doing that, he's just "too" cautious. He still has a lot of scoring drives, so his delays are missed big plays, and have led to longer drives. Because quite often, he's converting the next play for a first down.

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I do not think he can win a championship without a completely elite "supporting cast"

I don't think anyone can. Burrow led LSU to a similar season in 2018, a huge part of 2019 was Jefferson and Chase catching EVERYTHING. They and Marshall came down with catches that were 50/50 balls, a LOT. You swap those WRs out for different guys, we lose a few that year. We lose to Texas, at Alabama, Auburn, maybe Fla, probably Clemson.

Not saying Daniels is Burrow-class, he's not. But Burrow "needed elite guys" too.
*Mahomes looked just as amazing at Texas Tech as he does in KC; LSU stomped them and they never sniffed the playoff.

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The point here, friend, is that coaches can be mistaken, sometimes severely so. I am convinced that Miles thought that a good QB was not at all important. I also think that he has borderline intelligence.

Then you're severely wrong

Miles ran an aggressive offense with Russell, with Flynn, and with Mettenburger. He pulled the plug on the QB in 08 because Lee was singlehandedly losing games for us, games LSU had the talent to win with defense and ground-and-pound.

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Kelly is completely different in that regard, but I think he may be a bit of an egotist which could affect his judgment. We may learn that keeping Polian in charge of ST is a mistake

Kelly probably does have an ego, most guys who perform that well do. They're usually right, that's where the ego comes from.

Re Polian, I think you're overthinking things. He's an ace recruiter, and you need merely average special teams to win. Saban, if I remember, didn't even have a dedicated ST coach for years. If you get superior talent, it makes that part of the game less important. And let's be fair here- if you get a return guy who catches the ball, and better depth so you can have more guys playing JUST special teams, that part of the game improves immensely. You will have guys that only see the field then, so they will focus more to get things right, and not lose that pkaying time.

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Same possibly with bringing Daniels back

I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen a fanbase complain that the starting QB, who won their division and led the team to a good season, returned for his final year. This goes even beyond Jefferson/Lee, because Jefferson hadn't won the West (although he did beat Bama, like Daniels has).
Maybe it's sorta like Mauck, where we "knew" Russell was going to take the job from him (and for the record, Russell did NOT start all of 2004, Randall played a lot. There's a good chance Mauck would have held his spot, because Russell wasn't ready yet). But that was different, in that Mauck left but wasn't 'wished away' by the fanbase.

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To me that is big part of the enjoyment of following the game.

Have a nice day.

That's cool, a lot of people love to second-guess the coach and stuff like that. We see it a lot here. When your team doesn't win, you think you know why, and what they should have done to win. And particularly at LSU, when you win but "not impressively enough", you think you know how we could have beat that team by 50.
Some folks like to bitch, they're not happy otherwise. And occasionally, when everything does go right, they're torn- they love that their team just won the title, but still want to bitch about something.
I think it's something of a 'fixer' mentality, they need to fix things, even when it's not broke

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