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Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:55 am to BlackAngus
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with Justin Jefferson in the middle.
We got Jordan. Justin plays for Alabama!!
I will never get used to this...
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:03 am to GumboPot
A good running team will run between the tackles all night. Force you to load box....then p/a pass/passing game opens up.
To run a 335 day in and day out against your conference that studies you every year. You have to
No.1 have a frickin STUD at nose guard.
No.2 the rest of the defense has to have ELITE team speed. No one slower than a 4.6 with most under a 4.5 except your nose guard.
Recovery is every thing in the 335
Tcu whipped mich because of 2 pick six, goal line fumble and missed opourtunity at a chip shot fg early. Mich under estimated their team speed on defense.
Jmo
To run a 335 day in and day out against your conference that studies you every year. You have to
No.1 have a frickin STUD at nose guard.
No.2 the rest of the defense has to have ELITE team speed. No one slower than a 4.6 with most under a 4.5 except your nose guard.
Recovery is every thing in the 335
Tcu whipped mich because of 2 pick six, goal line fumble and missed opourtunity at a chip shot fg early. Mich under estimated their team speed on defense.
Jmo
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 8:07 am
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:36 am to GumboPot
You’re pretty spot on. I think our base is out of the 3-4 we adjust the fronts enough to give a “4-3” look at times to help with certain run plays. It really just depends on what the offense is trying to run. What have they shown etc, etc. I with having Ojulari as the “jack” linebacker it pretty much gives you the 3-4 alignment, but can easily be a 4-3 style defense.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:54 am to geauxkoo
We would get run on constantly.
We don't have anyone near a 0 technique on this team.
We don't have anyone near a 0 technique on this team.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:57 am to Ampipe96
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TCU shut down Michigan running with 3-3-5
What?
They gave up 500+ yards and 45 points....
Did u watch the game? Hell... did you check the score after...
Posted on 1/5/23 at 10:23 am to Rickdaddy4188
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They gave up 500+ yards and 45 points....
Most of which came on passing. In short yardage situations, TCU was able to stop Michigan. Did you watch the game?
Posted on 1/5/23 at 10:28 am to tenderfoot tigah
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I don't think we have the LBs to run a 3-3-5.
Yeah, we're more likely to run a 4-2-5 variant on running downs with a safety cheating up. A 3-3-5 is a NT/LB driven defense. We are an edge rusher/CB based defense just based on personnel.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 11:25 am to GoldenBoy
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Most of which came on passing. In short yardage situations, TCU was able to stop Michigan. Did you watch the game?
Yeah I did ..... the game where Michigan almost ran for 200 yards and 4.7 ypc... I would never say giving up 500 yards and 45 points at shutting an offense down.
Michigan had 3 players over 5 yards a carry... one ran for 118 yards...
You clearly didn't watch the damn game if you think tcu shut down Michigan.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 11:29 am
Posted on 1/5/23 at 11:26 am to geauxkoo
Did you watch the AtM game this year? Hell NEAUX
Posted on 1/5/23 at 11:32 am to Ampipe96
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TCU shut down Michigan running with 3-3-5
45 points allowed isn’t my definition of “shut down” D
Posted on 1/5/23 at 11:48 am to Tigerlaff
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I heard Matt's gonna run the 5-5-5 "Full House" defense. It's impossible to score against it.
Cut.It.Out. Have Mercy!
Posted on 1/5/23 at 11:55 am to biglego
Like others have said, House went with that look out of necessity, due to opt outs along the front. A 3-3-5 base defense is normally run by teams that don't have a lot of big interior-sized d-linemen but do have plenty of speed. The 3 linemen often play nose up in a one-gap responsibility and slant into the assigned gap at the snap, with the LBs on the second level responsible for the opposite gaps. That said, you can also have your D-line in a shade rather than straight up on a blocker.
The advantage of a 3-3-5 is that it gives a DC the chance to be creative and mix things up, plus to create blocking responsibility confusion for the OL. The idea is that what you give up in size on the defensive front, you make up for by creativity, confusion, and getting hats to the ball.
A disadvantage in the base structure is that it is vulnerable to the inside run, but you can address this by walking up a safety, or even two DBs (creating a de facto 3-5-3) look in run situations. The nose tackle does need to be stout, but he doesn't necessarily have to be the 330-pound block-eating/space-absorbing traditional type that everyone normally imagines. In a shade or one-gap responsibility system, you can go with a lighter NT, but he needs to be quick, disruptive and tough. The MLB also has to be tough, but quick and with reasonable speed, too.
The bottom line is, with the proliferation of spread offenses, multiple receivers sets and increased use of tempo that makes it more difficult to substitute, it's probably more helpful to start thinking less in terms of base scheme and more in terms of what the DC will ask of his front and his coverage, as well as his philosophy of blitz/pressure. DCs now have to be really multiple. Any stated base scheme seems to mainly have value for general reference and for printing a depth chart. But in reality, DCs increasingly are running a variety of structures.
If you noticed during the season, House used a variety of fronts and scheme looks, based on opponent, scheme, game situation and available players. We morphed between even and odd fronts, and I imagine, in gap responsibility at times, too. I think you want versatile, smart, tough, fast guys that will give you flexibility to switch looks play to play, series to series, and game to game, without having to do too much subbing.
Also, I keep reading people saying that they think House based from a 3-4. Maybe so, but I didn't see that. It seemed we normally based out of a 4-2-5, employing 5 DBs on the regular and walking the jack up on the edge of the line. But I suppose if you drop the jack off the line closer to the second level and walk up a safety into the box in cover 1 for short-yardage situations, then that can present as a 3-4. So maybe, I'm wrong.
I know, TLDR.
The advantage of a 3-3-5 is that it gives a DC the chance to be creative and mix things up, plus to create blocking responsibility confusion for the OL. The idea is that what you give up in size on the defensive front, you make up for by creativity, confusion, and getting hats to the ball.
A disadvantage in the base structure is that it is vulnerable to the inside run, but you can address this by walking up a safety, or even two DBs (creating a de facto 3-5-3) look in run situations. The nose tackle does need to be stout, but he doesn't necessarily have to be the 330-pound block-eating/space-absorbing traditional type that everyone normally imagines. In a shade or one-gap responsibility system, you can go with a lighter NT, but he needs to be quick, disruptive and tough. The MLB also has to be tough, but quick and with reasonable speed, too.
The bottom line is, with the proliferation of spread offenses, multiple receivers sets and increased use of tempo that makes it more difficult to substitute, it's probably more helpful to start thinking less in terms of base scheme and more in terms of what the DC will ask of his front and his coverage, as well as his philosophy of blitz/pressure. DCs now have to be really multiple. Any stated base scheme seems to mainly have value for general reference and for printing a depth chart. But in reality, DCs increasingly are running a variety of structures.
If you noticed during the season, House used a variety of fronts and scheme looks, based on opponent, scheme, game situation and available players. We morphed between even and odd fronts, and I imagine, in gap responsibility at times, too. I think you want versatile, smart, tough, fast guys that will give you flexibility to switch looks play to play, series to series, and game to game, without having to do too much subbing.
Also, I keep reading people saying that they think House based from a 3-4. Maybe so, but I didn't see that. It seemed we normally based out of a 4-2-5, employing 5 DBs on the regular and walking the jack up on the edge of the line. But I suppose if you drop the jack off the line closer to the second level and walk up a safety into the box in cover 1 for short-yardage situations, then that can present as a 3-4. So maybe, I'm wrong.
I know, TLDR.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 12:26 pm to TigerScribe
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The nose tackle does need to be stout, but he doesn't necessarily have to be the 330-pound block-eating/space-absorbing traditional type that everyone normally imagines. In a shade or one-gap responsibility system, you can go with a lighter NT, but he needs to be quick, disruptive and tough. The MLB also has to be tough, but quick and with reasonable speed, too.
This is the problem... quick and disruptive 310+ humans are rare.
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think you want versatile, smart, tough, fast guys that will give you flexibility to switch looks play to play, series to series, and game to game, without having to do too much subbing.
Yeah the problem is in cfb most lbs aren't complete lbs... most come out of highschool being good at playing the gun,or good at dropping into zone,or good at rushing the qb.
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Also, I keep reading people saying that they think House based from a 3-4. Maybe so, but I didn't see that. It seemed we normally based out of a 4-2-5, employing 5 DBs on the regular and walking the jack up on the edge of the line. But I suppose if you drop the jack off the line closer to the second level and walk up a safety into the box in cover 1 for short-yardage situations, then that can present as a 3-4. So maybe, I'm
You are correct... people say 3-4 because we usually had just 3 HiD players but we almost always rushed 4 as a base...
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:44 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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45 points allowed isn’t my definition of “shut down” D
Wow, a smart guy. Decides that Michigan can rush the ball by the amount of points they scored ( 45) Really. LMAO
Michigan averaged approx. 241 rushing yards a game . TCU held them to 184 yards. Michigan gain most of their yardage through the air with 342 yards That's were the 45 points came from.
Also, Please read the posters wording. He stated rushing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 6:10 pm to GumboPot
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Ed O. 4-3 attacking style defense
Ha
Posted on 1/5/23 at 6:43 pm to geauxkoo
Not really. I love Perkins, but he (and any undersized linebacker) is a LOT more effective when he has 4 D-Lineman doing the dirty work of keeping the O-line from getting to the second level.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 6:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Rickdaddy4188
Box score boy!
Please keep it moving since you didn’t actually watch the game. Edwards had a 54 yarder to start the game, please let me know how he did after that.
McCarthy also got 39 yards on a scramble when TCU was up by 18. It was followed up by a designed QB run, so I’ll give you that one. But to say Michigan ran all over TCU proves you’re a box score boy.
Please learn the game.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:04 am to LSUlefty
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What was Lou Tepper's Defense?
Tepper ran the “Voyeur” defense, later reincarnated by Bo Pelini in 2020.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:47 am to GumboPot
Hell, just call out the Chinese Bandits and be done with it!
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