Typical protestant cop-out. Read a very obvious piece of scripture that supports the Catholic point and just choose to ignore it because it goes against what you believe. Almost like your interpretation is based on your beliefs rather than your beliefs on the interpretation...

The mass isn't a new sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. It's simply a representation of the one sacrifice.

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Again, like has been said, y'all love the side dishes and miss the main course. Becuase for you, it's all about the church

Well the Bible does say that the Church is the pillar of truth, but for Catholics its all about Christ. He gave us the Church to help guide us and teach us though.

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Te Deums can never take away sins or do anything toward sin, no matter what your church tells you.
Christ has defeated sin and death once for all. Why you wouldn't want to believe this perplexes me.

I've already addressed this in an earlier post.

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Die with temporary sin on your conscience and face purgatory because of it? Antithetical to every aspect of the gospel of grace.

I could engage in the scriptural debate for this, but it wouldn't do any good. You'll just read your own interpretation unto them. It's a circular argument honestly.

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Posted by bayoubengals88

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Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:27 pm to Stitches

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Which one of the Holy Spirit led reformers got it right then, since they all had different beliefs as to what the true beliefs were?

I see this a lot. It’s lazy.

They likely held 95% of their beliefs in common. There was probably more commonly held beliefs among Luther, Calvin, and Cranmer than in most centuries prior to the Reformation.

They disagreed about finer points of doctrine that are not essential for salvation.

The true beliefs according to the Lutherans, Anglicans, and Reformed are found in the Augsburg Confession, 39 Articles, and Belgic Confessions.
Amazingly, you can go through those documents with a fine tooth comb and find that they blend together. Did you never know this or has your conversion made you forget?

There’s enough there for a solid front. The Catholics at the time knew what to oppose. That’s for sure.

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Typical protestant cop-out. Read a very obvious piece of scripture that supports the Catholic point and just choose to ignore it because it goes against what you believe.

I do it with verses that are obscure and self admittedly difficult. You do it with verses that provide the clearest of gospel truths.

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The mass isn't a new sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. It's simply a representation of the one sacrifice.

I never said it was. I was talking about Te Deums. However, the mass is effectual, though it should not be considered effectual. Missing mass brings grave consequences, but it shouldn’t. There are only two commandments. Participate in weekly communion or go to purgatory ain’t one of them.