re: Russia on the move with "most advanced tanks" into Ukraine from Belarus

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I wasn't being serious. Yes they are better than Iraq, but still a damn joke of a military.

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Still one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

They have better air defense systems than we do.

They have better capabilities with cruise missiles than we do, when you compare their stuff to our defenses and vice versa.

Planes such as the SU-57 will be equal or better than just about everything we have. SU-30 and the other airframes they have are all very capable.

The combination of their aircraft and air defense systems is going to make air superiority very costly, and we may not achieve it - and if we don't, we are severely screwed. Anyone that thinks we just simply show up and own the air is legit crazy. This will be contested.

Russia can target every railhead and port in all of Europe except maybe way out in Portugal, and NATO does not have anything approaching a defense system strong enough to stop barrages of hypersonic missiles. That can make virtually all means of resupply a no-go.

Russia can launch these same hypersonic missiles from a variety of locations from subs and flatten London, Paris, Warsaw and other cities in a matter of minutes.

Russia will have subs (I would be shocked if they don't already have them) within a few hundred miles of our coastline, and at least one of them will be able to launch at least a dozen hypersonic missiles before they are ever detected at all. They can flatten DC, Ft. Bragg and a few other places in less than 20 minutes. If we strike deep within Russia, do not be surprised if multiple subs send dozenS of missiles to the east coast. Our sub force is very good but it's a tough task to prevent sub missile launches outright.

Our stealth is not going to be the magic panacea that people think it will be. Russia's S400 and S500 systems will track those planes. I believe they are starting to field the S500, but the S400 will be just fine against stealth platforms. This will not be like the F-117 flying over Baghdad.

They have an insane output of artillery and we can't come close to matching that. If they disrupt supply lines, our people will get chewed up in a meat grinder.

I do not believe they field a tank equal to the Abrams, but they will likely have a lot more in theater than we do.

On that note, a truly combined arms fight is going to require a very steep learning curve for us, and it will probably be ugly in the beginning. Our population can't handle micro-aggressions. What do you think happens when plane loads of body bags come back? And don't assume this can't happen - go look at Task Force Smith and how bad things can get when you send an unprepared force into battle.

Our Bradleys are good but have some vulnerabilities and under heavy artillery fire their strengths will be mitigated and allow BMP and BTR vehicles to close distance, mass fires, and attrit.

This will be fought in space and both the US and the Russians are likely to destroy satellites. That means no precision warfare for either side, which is a HUGE advantage for the Russians.

We are already buying artillery and other munitions from other NATO countries to give to Ukraine because we don't have enough in our stocks. Russia is firing about 3x more artillery each day than Ukraine. We can't match that and will have to use aviation to remove those pieces from the battlefield. IF we are successful, we are going to lose a lot of aircraft and pilots in the process, and it may not matter, if Russia can still feed more and more rounds to its remaining guns while we don't have the industrial capacity to do the same.

A lot of our equipment, such as the new lightweight 155mm artillery piece, is not performing well. HIMARS is not at all a difference maker. Some of this is because the Ukrainians are not good at using this stuff, but a lot is just because these things are not as good as we think they are.

Russia has built a continental army to defend Russia. They are operating next to their border. Logistics is a lot easier for them. We will have limited routes with which to access the theater and Russia can seriously impeded all movement into theater.

This demonization and ridicule of Russia and the Russian military is one of the biggest cases of mass psychosis I've ever seen. Russia is a true PEER on the battlefield. Don't be fooled by their entry into this war - every analyst knows they had a terrible plan, but it was deliberate. They will not make that mistake if we enter the battlefield. They can't afford to do so. Russia sees this as existential. Last time they faced that, they gave up 27 million people in fighting the Nazis. They are a proud people, just like we are - but we are not fighting for survival. Our people will be fighting so a gang of traitorous assholes in DC can get rich, and they don't care how many Americans, NATO members, and Ukrainians have to die. That's not such a good message for morale.

We just got done shitcanning over 50k troops over COVID vaccines, and much of our leadership is worried about pronouns and drag shows at installations. Anyone that thinks our military is ready for this is 100% stupid.

If you love our troops and love this country, you will seek to avoid this conflict at all costs. We will take HEAVY losses and will be damn lucky to not have a nuclear war where billions of people will end up dead.

This administration is unbelievably stupid. And the war mongers are just as dumb. If this war happens, we better have aliens, spaceships, hover tanks and magic bullets because, if there's no secret cache of new weapons out there, this is going to get very ugly.

Our nation has not been in a war like this since the 1940s. We lost about 55k in 10 years in Vietnam. Ukraine has probably lost 3x that in 10 months. For people that think we have magic equipment and shite, there is no magic against 152mm (and larger) artillery. It's not called the King of Battle for nothing.

People think our military is the 1972 Dolphins but that's not how it works. We've done everything imaginable for two years now to destroy our combat readiness. And we don't have 50% of the industrial capacity to feed a war effort like this is likely to need.

I pray that I am 100% wrong, but I fear that I'm not. This would be ugly for everyone and might be deadly for the entire planet.

Cheering on this war and minimizing the Russian side is like Vandy talking shite to Bama - it won't end well. It costs us nothing to show some respect and I highly recommend we start respecting Russia and their military. Eventually this Ugly American approach is going to lead to getting knocked the fricked out.

Putin was among the first, if not the first, to call Bush after 9/11. Russia is not our enemy, no matter how the indoctrination media wants you to believe that. Lastly, Russia is now in an alliance with many other nations, to include Saudi Arabia. These other nations may join, or at least severely disrupt the world's economy. Our lack of industrialization could seriously lead to us losing, badly. A large dose of humility and caution is warranted here.

Joe Biden is obviously stupid and his brain is diseased. His administration has made wrong move after wrong move for two years now. Why on earth would any sane individual buy into their song and dance about Russia? How many times do they have to be wrong before you take notice?

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More like Afghans....howd that work out again????

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For us or the Soviets?

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You are full of all kinds of stupid if you really believe even a fraction of all of that BS you just posted.

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Please feel free to rebut him by going over the many military defeats that Russia has suffered as the home team.

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Anyone got an update on who is winning at this point?

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US arms manufacturers are winning big time with orders from Eastern Europe's former Soviet satellites and the rest of the world. Poland was talking about ordering 500 HIMARS.

Lol

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You are full of all kinds of stupid if you really believe even a fraction of all of that BS you just posted.

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Well you know a thing or two.

Enlighten us.

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Oh that’s great. Wonderful news.

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It's great news for war profiteers and their patsy politicians. The rest of us, not so much.

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We are already buying artillery and other munitions from other NATO countries to give to Ukraine because we don't have enough in our stocks.

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Why aren't those NATO countries selling them directly to Ukraine? Why are they using the US as the middle man?

Divide and conquer. Get Ukraine to focus all of its best on the Eastern front, then while they aren’t looking, invade in the NW cutting their lines of supply off and meet in Kyiv for the Victory? If they can cut the country into two fronts, this is going to get real real bad for the Ukrainians. No wonder Zelenskyy was in town begging for more money. This war is just getting started.