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re: An editor for Military Times found it humorous to desecrate AP Hill's grave yesterday

Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:22 pm to
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
5516 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:22 pm to
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Can we discuss leaving the United States for a moment? There seems to be this modern spin on historical events that wanting to leave the United States is/was an act of treason. Is it though?
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Article 1st: His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof.

Each state was recognized as being “ free sovereign and independent states” by the Treaty of Paris. The Southern States understanding of their capabilities for independence of action should be viewed through this prism.

Viewing the “Federal” union (the Northern tier of states in particular) as becoming destructive of their freedoms through tyrannical overreach one needs only to look to Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence for establishing the Southern States’s rightful dissolving of their ties to the Federal Union.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8276 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:24 pm to
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Nah, I think it's more appropriate to focus on people being willing to kill others so that the wealthy class could continue to protect their personal wealth.


You must HATE the United States for Viet Nam and the Middle Eastern wars.
Posted by STLJ
Member since Nov 2022
847 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:26 pm to
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If our military loses white southern men, there won’t be anyone to fight their wars.


Hence the move to make white men effeminate.
Posted by Swamp Angel
Georgia
Member since Jul 2004
7314 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 6:31 am to
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Creating a perpetual union would have simply recreated that same existence, denying state’s sovereignty and making them subservient to the union. Lincoln’s mindset was no different than the King’s in that he waged war to maintain the union just as the king waged war to preserve the British empire.


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Realistically though if you accept that slavery was the sole reason for the war, then then war extremely short sighted and unnecessary. Slavery was on its way out regardless of southern states desire to maintain it


Oh, thank heavens! There ARE people who understand this and haven't been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the history books used in public schools! You have restored my faith somewhat.

It amazes me that very few people care to know anything more than what's presented on the surface, and who never realize that there's a five-layer cake underneath all that icing.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48477 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 9:03 am to
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Southerners have zero business fighting for the leviathan that massacred our ancestors and does everything it can to destroy our culture and villify our heroes.


Truth.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
100,000 posts
Member since Jan 2007
49271 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 9:38 am to
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that the question of secession was addressed DIRECTLY and SPECIFICALLY during the Constitutional Convention.

Could you argue that secession is is just a continuing step in "not following" the laws of the government?
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