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re: Prepare for starvation
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:01 am to djmed
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:01 am to djmed
Man has sustained making food for thousands upon thousands of years and we’ve never made more food than we have the last hundred years. How can these people say food making is not and has not been sustainable?
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:04 am to Meauxjeaux
Malthusian shortages has been disproved for 100 years
Thomas Malthus was an 18th-century British philosopher and economist noted for the Malthusian growth model, an exponential formula used to project population growth.
The theory states that food production will not be able to keep up with growth in the human population, resulting in disease, famine, war, and calamity.
A noted statistician and proponent of political economy, Malthus founded the Statistical Society of London.
Malthus' theories were later used to justify British colonial policies that aggravated the Irish Potato Famine.
The theory is now considered to be largely discredited, as industrialized farming techniques have allowed food production to scale much faster than Malthus anticipated.
Thomas Malthus was an 18th-century British philosopher and economist noted for the Malthusian growth model, an exponential formula used to project population growth.
The theory states that food production will not be able to keep up with growth in the human population, resulting in disease, famine, war, and calamity.
A noted statistician and proponent of political economy, Malthus founded the Statistical Society of London.
Malthus' theories were later used to justify British colonial policies that aggravated the Irish Potato Famine.
The theory is now considered to be largely discredited, as industrialized farming techniques have allowed food production to scale much faster than Malthus anticipated.
This post was edited on 11/3/22 at 9:07 am
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:08 am to Meauxjeaux
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How can these people say food making is not and has not been sustainable?
Because they're liars
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:12 am to Meauxjeaux
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Man has sustained making food for thousands upon thousands of years and we’ve never made more food than we have the last hundred years. How can these people say food making is not and has not been sustainable?
You are completely ignorant of their point. Something can be done for thousands of years, and then be increased to the point that it is unsustainable - water usage out west, for example. Man has been using water in the American West for thousands of years, but it is reaching the point of being unsustainable.
It could be true - strictly from a logical perspective - that greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture is so high now that it is unsustainable. I don’t offer an opinion on that, but it is not logically unsound as you asserted.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:13 am to Meauxjeaux
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Man has sustained making food for thousands upon thousands of years and we’ve never made more food than we have the last hundred years. How can these people say food making is not and has not been sustainable?
The argument is typically around what we have to do to sustain this increased production, primarily the fertilizers.
MIT article on it
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But ammonia has to be made at a high pressure under high temperatures—meaning it takes a lot of energy to manufacture. Most of that energy comes from burning fossil fuels like coal and methane gas, which give off the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, the main cause of climate change. Ammonia manufacturing today contributes between 1 and 2% of worldwide carbon dioxide emissions
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Fertilizers also produce greenhouse gases after farmers apply them to their fields. Crops only take up, on average, about half of the nitrogen they get from fertilizers.4 Much of the applied fertilizer runs off into waterways, or gets broken down by microbes in the soil, releasing the potent greenhouse gas nitrous oxide into the atmosphere. Although nitrous oxide accounts for only a small fraction of worldwide greenhouse gas emissions,5 pound for pound, nitrous oxide warms the planet 300 times as much as carbon dioxide.
Fertilizer runoff may also have other downstream ecological effects.
Posted on 11/3/22 at 8:14 am to Meauxjeaux
Because the system is almost entirely reliant on fossil fuels.
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