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re: Another criminal on parole goes on to kill
Posted on 10/25/22 at 1:47 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 10/25/22 at 1:47 am to AggieHank86
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How many additional prisons would need to be constructed to support the increased prison population? At what cost?
oh bullshite
there is lots of room in the deserts for tent prisons - build a stockade and stock it with guard dogs and sharoshooters - put the thuggiest ones in the worse conditions - let 'good behavior' allow them to advance to more civil accommodations.
YES - warehouse the bastards - if you are a thug, you get ZERO benefit of the doubt, you get ZERO amenities - you live like a fukcn animal that you are.
I am sick of hearing about good, productive, loving citizens being tormented and maimed and murdered by utter filth.
Enough is enough.
Remember - if it saves one life - it is worth it.
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Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:13 am to ChineseBandit58
Bandit, you claim to be a conservative, and the most-important benchmark of FISCAL conservatism is that you do not willy-nilly implement governmental spending without knowing how much it is going to cost and where you will be getting the money.
Crimes committed by prisoners on parole is a real problem. If you want to solve it, you must look at REAL solutions.
You cannot resolve a metallurgical problem by assuming that you will discover unobtainium. You cannot solve an energy problem by assuming that someone will discover a perpetual motion machine. And you cannot solve a prison capacity problem by assuming that you can ignore six decades of Constitutional jurisprudence on prison overcrowding.
If you want to eliminate parole (in whole or in part), you will need additional prison capacity. Anyone who pretends otherwise is a child trying to join a discussion at the adult table.
The current prison population is about 1.6 million. If you eliminate parole, you are looking at an increase of about 400,000. The average cost per bed to build a max security prison (violent felons, right?) is between $75k and $100k, but let’s say it can be done a bit cheaper. You are still looking at $25 BILLION just for construction. Figure another $4 billion of annual costs per year.
To those silly posters who sarcastically make the “just one life” argument, I have NEVER made that argument, because it is childish. Deploy your strawman argument in response to the children who do use it.
Likewise to the sarcastic “eliminate all,guns” poster. Again, I have never made such a stupid argument. My view of the bread of the Second Amendment is certainly more nuanced than many here, but just as broad.
To the “not ALL paroles” posters, you are just looking down a slippery slope. Ban parole for ONLY murder today, and you will want to expand it tomorrow when a crime is committed by someone committed of assault with a deadly weapon. When you have done that, the next debate will be “simple assault,” until we are arguing about parole for tax evasion.
Is is worth the cost? That is a tough question. But do not be disingenuous about the EXISTENCE of the question … not if you claim to be a fiscal conservative.
Crimes committed by prisoners on parole is a real problem. If you want to solve it, you must look at REAL solutions.
You cannot resolve a metallurgical problem by assuming that you will discover unobtainium. You cannot solve an energy problem by assuming that someone will discover a perpetual motion machine. And you cannot solve a prison capacity problem by assuming that you can ignore six decades of Constitutional jurisprudence on prison overcrowding.
If you want to eliminate parole (in whole or in part), you will need additional prison capacity. Anyone who pretends otherwise is a child trying to join a discussion at the adult table.
The current prison population is about 1.6 million. If you eliminate parole, you are looking at an increase of about 400,000. The average cost per bed to build a max security prison (violent felons, right?) is between $75k and $100k, but let’s say it can be done a bit cheaper. You are still looking at $25 BILLION just for construction. Figure another $4 billion of annual costs per year.
To those silly posters who sarcastically make the “just one life” argument, I have NEVER made that argument, because it is childish. Deploy your strawman argument in response to the children who do use it.
Likewise to the sarcastic “eliminate all,guns” poster. Again, I have never made such a stupid argument. My view of the bread of the Second Amendment is certainly more nuanced than many here, but just as broad.
To the “not ALL paroles” posters, you are just looking down a slippery slope. Ban parole for ONLY murder today, and you will want to expand it tomorrow when a crime is committed by someone committed of assault with a deadly weapon. When you have done that, the next debate will be “simple assault,” until we are arguing about parole for tax evasion.
Is is worth the cost? That is a tough question. But do not be disingenuous about the EXISTENCE of the question … not if you claim to be a fiscal conservative.
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:17 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
there is lots of room in the deserts for tent prisons - build a stockade and stock it with guard dogs and sharoshooters - put the thuggiest ones in the worse conditions - let 'good behavior' allow them to advance to more civil accommodations.
YES - warehouse the bastards - if you are a thug, you get ZERO benefit of the doubt, you get ZERO amenities - you live like a fukcn animal that you are.
I am sick of hearing about good, productive, loving citizens being tormented and maimed and murdered by utter filth.
Enough is enough.
We ran into this "problem" in Orleans during the "crack epidemic." So we constructed a tent city.
With this new sophisticated jury vote requirement thanks to the Supreme Court there's going to be an avalanche of this behavior which will get a whole lot worse before it gets intolerable.
So future generations will be living "in interesting times."
Remember? It wasn't that long ago that some would come on here and pontificate about "how we incarcerate too many people in this country."
The fact is we're not warehousing nearly enough of them.
A very special case, our juvenile facility in Bridge City, is something to behold.
It got so bad dealing with juveniles who are one small level above wild animals that they couldn't keep counselors there.
And then the escapes began.
One escape by a hardcore group of juveniles involved the forced theft of a car and a multi-parish car chase that ended right on the corner of Harrison Avenue and Canal Blvd. where they were finally blocked off and captured.
It closed that section of Harrison Avenue down for hours - on a school day.
The car chase alone put so many people in jeopardy.
So for the juvenile facility, as a desperate measure, they decided to transfer the worst of the lot up to 'Gola.
As an added insult to them, they renovated the old Death Row area to house them.
The lefty panderers and excuse-makers hollered like banshees and tried to stop the transfer - but were unable.
That there's not enough space for criminals is insulting at best.
Angola has about 17-18,000 acres.
With this "new America," future generations may see the need for stringing barbed wire up for miles to house the dysfunctionals.
Now all these parolees who are committing crimes.
Because of the Supreme Court decision we can go one better here in Orleans.
The criminal who perpetrated what they called "the Burgundy Massacre" just got his new trial because of that racist 10-2 requirement we once had here which he had been convicted under.
In a mass shooting, he had killed two and wounded three.
In his recent 2nd-chance trial he was acquitted. He got the perfect jury of his "peers" - blacks and white liberals.
Now he's back on the street in Orleans, so it's inevitable that he's going to kill again.
With a Soros-bought D.A., can anyone imagine the half-hearted prosecution he got, just going through the motions to make it look good to a trusting public.
Just process them and get them out of there as soon as possible.
Added insult: even before the Supreme Court ruling, this Soros-bought D.A. had only accepted about 52% of the felony cases, and of those has a conviction rate of 7%.
None of those stats have improved.
Interesting times are here.
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