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Where LSU ranks in the 247 Talent Composite

Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:19 pm
Posted by Geauxldrush
Member since Jul 2022
510 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:19 pm
LINK

8th above Notre Dame (10th) and far ahead of FSU (18th)
Posted by TexasTiger_08
Texas
Member since Dec 2021
1412 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:20 pm to
8th with only 71 commits. Really need to take in as many kids as possible this year.
Posted by fastlane
Member since Jul 2014
4529 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:21 pm to
All I get from this is tangible proof how bad the roster management was the last few years.
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
4040 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:32 pm to
UGA, Bama, and Ohio State (the consistent playoff caliber teams) each with 3 times as many five stars for the "5* don't matter crowd."

All good, we're on our way to joining them in the top end talent department.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34108 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:36 pm to
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8th with only 71 commits.


It somewhat validates what other have opined was the case. LSU still has talent, though not quite at the level as in recent years past. Nonetheless, LSU is STILL in the top 1/3rd of the SEC. The only concern is depth.

Frankly, this is why I remain bullish on the team. Ed Orgeron was an absolutely awful coach who was grossly overrated because of 2019. The best thing he did from 2017-2019 was stay mostly out of the way as to the on-field approach. That was his platform in campaigning for the job in the first place. He interjected himself, most notably by implementing HIS preferred defensive style, in 2020. The results of the last 2 years speak for themselves.

Ed and his collection of coordinators no one else in D-1 football wanted for those jobs are gone. Now, a proven coach and coaching staff inherits a still talented roster. National championship level talent? VERY unlikely. But it should be more than enough to win at least 8 games with, now, a competent coaching staff.

The people who are sleeping on LSU are the ones who thought Orgeron had a lot to do with 2019. They also think the results of the last two seasons were because of a lack of talent. Neither are true. The 2019 team was allowed to be great because he DID NOT have a lot to do with the on-field approach. The same logic applies to this season. There is an inverse relationship between LSU success and the level of Orgeron's involvement. With Orgeron not being involved at all this year LSU has no choice but to be much better.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
7810 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:46 pm to
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8th with only 71 commits. Really need to take in as many kids as possible this year.

I don’t understand, do we not have a full 85 man roster this year?
Posted by Panny Crickets
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Sep 2008
5596 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:52 pm to
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I don’t understand, do we not have a full 85 man roster this year?


Negative.

It means that our full roster consists of 71 players that committed and signed with LSU out of high school. The remainder are transfers and walk-ons.
Posted by reauxl tigers
Tiger Woods Fan
Member since Aug 2014
9813 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:57 pm to
I laughed at OU being below us even with 85 schollies
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2295 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:59 pm to
If anything this seems to understate LSU's average talent (and the extent of the roster mismanagement), because apparently what this does is measure the average ranking of the top 85 players on a roster out of highschool, with the assumption that your top 85 ranked players will be guys on scholarship. LSU's roster only has ~67 scholarship players who were ranked out of highschool.

As indicated in this list, there are 71 players on the roster who were ranked out of highschool, but that includes a handful of walkons bringing down the average (other schools also have 2-star walk-ons, but when you have 85 scholarship guys those walk-ons don't make the cut to be included in the calculation).

There are also a few transfers who were unranked out of highschool and are not considered at all in these calculations but who will play a lot this year, including Mekhi Garner, Colby Richardson, Tre'Mond Shorts and Slade Roy.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 3:10 pm
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
7810 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:02 pm to
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The remainder are transfers and walk-ons.

Got it. Are they figured in the composite point total?
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2295 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:04 pm to
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Negative.

It means that our full roster consists of 71 players that committed and signed with LSU out of high school. The remainder are transfers and walk-ons.


Not quite, the 71 is the total number of players currently on LSU's roster who received a star ranking, regardless of where they committed, which includes some current walkons.

LSU has around 67 or so players on scholarship who were ranked coming out of highschool, along with another 7 or so on scholarship who were unranked out of highschool (4 of the transfers plus some former walkons given scholarships).

Posted by TexasTiger_08
Texas
Member since Dec 2021
1412 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:07 pm to
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It means that our full roster consists of 71 players that committed and signed with LSU out of high school. The remainder are transfers and walk-ons.


No, pretty sure this includes transfers...

LINK

See Jayden Daniels, Noah Cain, Sevyn Banks, etc. etc.
Posted by Jebadeb
Member since Oct 2017
5678 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:13 pm to
It does include transfers. Some players (like Walk-ons) are not rated. Not sure that they factor in.
Posted by Panny Crickets
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Sep 2008
5596 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:16 pm to
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Not quite, the 71 is the total number of players currently on LSU's roster who received a star ranking, regardless of where they committed, which includes some current walkons. LSU has around 67 or so players on scholarship who were ranked coming out of highschool, along with another 7 or so on scholarship who were unranked out of highschool (4 of the transfers plus some former walkons given scholarships).


Thank you. I’m an idiot.
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2295 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:19 pm to
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Thank you. I’m an idiot.



Took me a while to figure it out, because LSU has roughly the same amount of walk-ons with star rankings as it does scholarship players without stars.

If you are a walkon but were ranked out of highschool, like George Clayton or Brian Balestra, you are included. If you are a transfer who was unranked out of highschool, like Garner, Richardson, or Shorts, you are not.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20669 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:26 pm to
And still losing scholarship players
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:59 pm to
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All I get from this is tangible proof how bad the roster management was the last few years.


Somebody should have managed all those players that quit on their team
Posted by CameronTheNole
Tallahassee
Member since Jul 2022
26 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 4:03 pm to
Below FSU
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2295 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 4:08 pm to
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Somebody should have managed all those players that quit on their team



I mean, yes, that is more or less correct...somebody should have managed the situation by using the portal to pick up like 10+ players last season, but instead LSU only got Mike Jones (Technically we also got Burns and Bradford, but with proper roster management Burns would have been at LSU the year before anyway, and Bradford was at LSU the year before).

If Ed had just gone after replacement level players to fill literally unused spots on the roster, he probably could've kept his job a year longer. We basically imposed scholarship sanctions on ourselves.
Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
2146 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 4:14 pm to
This really shows how bad Ed did us the last two years. No reason we shouldn’t have had 9 and 10 win seasons in 20 and 21 if he hires competent assistants and stays out of their way.

The same can be said for Miles though. After his natty Les hired Malveto which screwed up 2008. Then his goofy arse thought he needed to control the offense which imo cost us at least 1 and maybe 2 nattys after 2008.
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