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re: Ukraine Troops withdraw from Lysyschansk

Posted on 8/17/22 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 8/17/22 at 12:36 pm to
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They hadn't occupied those territories for 7 years, there was absolutely no sign of them taking them back, and the people in those areas all wanted to be part of Russia.

So Russia and the separatists definitely only wanted the areas controlled by the DPR and LPR? Is that what you are saying?

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My God, do any of you actually think about this rationally or do you just listen to what NBC tells you you're supposed to think? Grow up, Peter Pan.

You’re barking up the wrong tree with that. I’m as far as you’ll get from the automatic anti-Putin mouthpieces. Quite the opposite, I believe that there is no inherent reason why Russia and the US should be opposed geopolitically. It was a mistake to shun them in the early 2000’s.

That said, If you actually believe that Russia didn’t intend, from the beginning back in 2014, to eventually occupy the majority of Ukraine east of the Dnieper, you’re the one that needs to grow up. It has transparently been their goal for a long time.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 12:41 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134887 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 12:47 pm to
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So Russia and the separatists definitely only wanted the areas controlled by the DPR and LPR? Is that what you are saying?


I'm saying ceding the territories that they're almost certainly never going to retake could have prevented escalation.

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You’re barking up the wrong tree with that. I’m as far as you’ll get from the automatic anti-Putin mouthpieces. Quite the opposite, I believe that there is no inherent reason why Russia and the US should be opposed geopolitically. It was a mistake to shun them in the early 2000’s.

That said, If you actually believe that Russia didn’t intend, from the beginning back in 2014, to eventually occupy the majority of Ukraine east of the Dnieper, you’re the one that needs to grow up. It has transparently been their goal for a long time.

I think that's a delusional assumption
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