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Gauging the MLS
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:17 pm
If you had to compare the quality of MLS to another league in the world, which one would it be?
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:24 pm to Alyosha
Mid tier championship to top of league one
Biggest issue is squad depth and the fact some owners don’t even bother being competitive and face no penalty for it
Franchises like LAFC have squads so much better it’s not even funny
Still it’s exciting to watch bc the league put a huge emphasis on signing high quality DPs that are attacking players. Even if they are on the back end of their career. But it shows how poor the quality is defensively in the league.
The Brazil model of quality home grown players and then shipped to Europe what MLS should strive for. We just need the quality of players who stay home to improve.
It’s an uphill climb to become a top league with how the league is ran and not being the most popular sport in America.
Biggest issue is squad depth and the fact some owners don’t even bother being competitive and face no penalty for it
Franchises like LAFC have squads so much better it’s not even funny
Still it’s exciting to watch bc the league put a huge emphasis on signing high quality DPs that are attacking players. Even if they are on the back end of their career. But it shows how poor the quality is defensively in the league.
The Brazil model of quality home grown players and then shipped to Europe what MLS should strive for. We just need the quality of players who stay home to improve.
It’s an uphill climb to become a top league with how the league is ran and not being the most popular sport in America.
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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it’s exciting to watch
I do think the product has become much more watchable in the past few years. I actually enjoy throwing a match on the TV these days.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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exciting to watch
That’s still a tough one for me. I went to matches in its inaugural season, and have found myself catching highlights more often. But I don’t have a team per se.
That’s an interesting comparison you provided. What about compared to the other leagues in Europe? Is there a closer 1to1 similarity?
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Mid tier championship
Pretty much
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top of league one
Nah. Unless you’re talking about DC United losing by 7 goals.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:29 pm to cwil177
Who is even your club
You keep throwing shade at DC
But the bottom MLS teams are League One quality
You keep throwing shade at DC
But the bottom MLS teams are League One quality
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:32 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Bro it’s so easy to throw shade a DC, literally all their teams are crap
I’m a Dallas baw now with your homie McCaig. So FCD til I die.
I agree about us emulating Brazil. That’s the direction it’s heading. We just need Garber to allow teams to open up their pocketbooks. I think the league is stable enough to do it now.
I don’t worry too much about the defensive side. Look at Holland. They’ve got a great national team and their league has crap defense, for the most part.
I’m a Dallas baw now with your homie McCaig. So FCD til I die.
I agree about us emulating Brazil. That’s the direction it’s heading. We just need Garber to allow teams to open up their pocketbooks. I think the league is stable enough to do it now.
I don’t worry too much about the defensive side. Look at Holland. They’ve got a great national team and their league has crap defense, for the most part.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:34 pm to Alyosha
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That’s an interesting comparison you provided. What about compared to the other leagues in Europe? Is there a closer 1to1 similarity?
Well it’s clearly not better than England, Germany, Italy, Spain, and France’s leagues
Probably knocking on the door of Holland and Portugal’s first divisions
Definitely better Belgium, Poland, Austria and the rest of Europe
For the Americas it’s still behind Brazil, Argentina and Mexico. But the top MLS teams are not getting steam rolled by LigaMX teams like in the past.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:37 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Probably knocking on the door of Holland and Portugal’s first divisions Definitely better Belgium, Poland, Austria and the rest of Europe
Not a bad place to be. Honesty the top teams of Portugal and the Netherlands are way better than any MLS team, but the bottom half is weaker than most MLS teams.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:39 pm to cwil177
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Bro it’s so easy to throw shade a DC, literally all their teams are crap
Put respect on the Caps
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I’m a Dallas baw now with your homie McCaig. So FCD til I die.
Talk about under achieving with so much local talent
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We just need Garber to allow teams to open up their pocketbooks. I think the league is stable enough to do it now.
Yea let them operate independently now, no more stupid MLS rules. Stop giving the shite owners equal shares. But if they let the league go big boy, the shite owners will definitely not give a frick and the gulf in class in teams will grow big time. Which I’m not opposed to. But pro/rel solves that lack of giving a frick.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:45 pm to cwil177
Yea that’s a fair assessment
But old boy the other day saying MLS would be a top six league in 8 years is out of his mind
For that to happen we need a fundamental change in how American soccer is run and not just the MLS. Also you are not going to be a top six league in the world while being the 4th at best most popular spot in your own country. First thing is having the most important part of MLS in the heart of the NFL and College football season is a kick in the nuts.
Competition against that trying to get views and revenue is always a loosing battle.
But old boy the other day saying MLS would be a top six league in 8 years is out of his mind
For that to happen we need a fundamental change in how American soccer is run and not just the MLS. Also you are not going to be a top six league in the world while being the 4th at best most popular spot in your own country. First thing is having the most important part of MLS in the heart of the NFL and College football season is a kick in the nuts.
Competition against that trying to get views and revenue is always a loosing battle.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 7:47 am
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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But if they let the league go big boy, the shite owners will definitely not give a frick and the gulf in class in teams will grow big time. Which I’m not opposed to. But pro/rel solves that lack of giving a frick.
The problem is you need owners with a ton of money to put out a decent product, but owners with a ton of money aren’t going to go for pro/rel.
They even tried to get out of it in Europe, where pro/rel is ingrained in the culture, with the super league.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:51 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Yea guess who was helping leading that charge of the super league
American owners
MLS gives that safety net for not being or trying to competitive
Relegation battles is some of the most intense soccer out there on the pitch and with the atmosphere in the stands.
American owners
MLS gives that safety net for not being or trying to competitive
Relegation battles is some of the most intense soccer out there on the pitch and with the atmosphere in the stands.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:53 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Yep. Wish we had it, especially when you see Sacramento beat the Galaxy.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:57 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Also you are not going to be a top six league in the world while being the 4th at best most popular spot in your own country.
America has an insane amount of capital, so I don’t think it’s impossible.
F1 has demonstrated the amount of power America has in sports even when the sport is more popular abroad. The second America showed an interest in F1, they announced two new Grand Prix in the US.
The US isn’t the biggest hockey country but has the best hockey teams.
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First thing is having the most important part of MLS in the heart of the NFL and College football season is a kick in the nuts.
I agree with this, but I’m not sure how I’d arrange the MLS calendar. The winter months are practically off limits for Northern teams.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:00 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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MLS gives that safety net for not being or trying to competitive Relegation battles is some of the most intense soccer out there on the pitch and with the atmosphere in the stands.
I agree with all this. As a fan, I’d love relegation in the MLS. I’d love for relegation to be a thing in CFB.
That said, I can’t really blame Don Garber because it’s clearly something the owners will never go for.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:03 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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America has an insane amount of capital, so I don’t think it’s impossible.
But dumping money into a league that doesn’t make a profit will only continue for so long. Even if the owners make their money of US tv rights and not MLS.
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F1 has demonstrated the amount of power America has in sports even when the sport is more popular abroad. The second America showed an interest in F1, they announced two new Grand Prix in the US.
That’s an apples to oranges comparison
quote:we’ll bc Canada is a huge hockey nation and the NHL has always been the best league with no competition. The best players in the world have always flooded here.
The US isn’t the biggest hockey country but has the best hockey teams.
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I agree with this, but I’m not sure how I’d arrange the MLS calendar. The winter months are practically off limits for Northern teams.
It’s doable with a winter break and some scheduling changes.
Also another big thing is still letting MLS sides use plastic pitches, the game isn’t meant to be played on that shite.
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 8:56 am
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:05 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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That said, I can’t really blame Don Garber because it’s clearly something the owners will never go for.
Yea bc unfortunately MLS is the gate keeper into a much more profitable venture that isn’t MLS
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:19 pm to cwil177
Yes I’ve been saying this for a while. MLS has so much more parity that it’s hard to compare. The worst MLS teams are better than the relegation sides in Turkey, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc.
But their top sides would have the most points in the MLS regular season.
Mid-table is likely comparable to the lower second tier leagues (Belgium, Turkey, Greece, pre-war Russia and Ukraine).
The goal should be to bump up to mid-table sides being comparable with the upper second tier leagues (France, Portugal, and the Netherlands).
But their top sides would have the most points in the MLS regular season.
Mid-table is likely comparable to the lower second tier leagues (Belgium, Turkey, Greece, pre-war Russia and Ukraine).
The goal should be to bump up to mid-table sides being comparable with the upper second tier leagues (France, Portugal, and the Netherlands).
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:20 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It’s doable with a winter break and some scheduling changes.
I don’t know. Montreal, Toronto, Minnesota - what do you do with those sides? The average high in those places is sub-50 from like October through April.
I’ve thought the MLS would need a winter competition in addition to a winter break. Some sort of pairing with Liga MX played in Hispanic heavy areas (generally warmer) during the winter.
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