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re: Ukrainian military had set up its operations within schools, hospitals, residential homes
Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:38 pm to basionok
Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:38 pm to basionok
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“As we noted, Amnesty International representatives eventually turned to the Ministry of Defense asking for a reaction, but gave very little time to respond,” she wrote. “As a result of this, although unwillingly, the organization created material that sounded like support of Russian narratives. Seeking to protect civilians, this study instead has become a tool of Russian propaganda.”
That's a very long way of saying Ukraine lied about Russians attacking civilians.
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 10:21 am to sta4ever
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Obviously you guys care enough, if y’all are constantly posting stuff, that’s positive towards Russia, and negative towards Ukraine. Explain to me how that is not giving af.
Two things.
First off, this report is not “positive” toward Russia. It simply underscores the point that much of what has been presented as “facts” about the war in the Ukraine by the MSM is little more than Foggy Bottom talking points.
Which leads me to my 2nd point: we most decidedly do give AF that the MSM has largely served as a propaganda organ for our nation’s wholly corrupted national security apparatus.
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:24 am to Toomer Deplorable
The report by the human rights group Amnesty International that covers violations of the rules of war by Ukrainian forces reflects a lack of unity among various political quarters in the West, Chairman of the Board of the Valdai International Discussion Club’s Development and Support Foundation Andrey Bystritsky told TASS.
"I do not consider this report as a deliberate message from some generalized West to Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky. I think that it’s a reflection of a lack of unity in the political circles of the United States and the European Union. That’s an example of a debate, a concealed confrontation that exists in the West," he said.
The analyst said there’s a complex set of views in the world regarding the situation in Ukraine. "Amnesty International, of course, is a pro-Western organization, but it also represents different forces. There are people who are critical of Ukraine," he said. "Hostilities always breed bitterness. It's inevitable, and in this sense, Ukraine is no exception."
Bystritsky also highlighted the political struggle around the report, which, spoke about Kiev's violations of the rules of war and the deployment of military equipment and weapons in schools and hospitals. After the report was published, the head of the Ukrainian division of the organization, Oksana Pokalchuk, resigned from her post, saying that her "her views on the values" were different from those held by the leadership of Amnesty International. The group later apologized the report caused pain but said it pursued the goal of protecting civilians.
"We are seeing a media-based and political struggle around this document, which confirmed, by the way, many statements by the Russian side about the tactics and strategy of the Ukrainian military," Bystritsky said. "From the discussions in political circles and from various sentiments in the Western society, we are seeing that there is no such thing as unequivocal and completely straightforward support for Ukraine.".
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"I do not consider this report as a deliberate message from some generalized West to Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky. I think that it’s a reflection of a lack of unity in the political circles of the United States and the European Union. That’s an example of a debate, a concealed confrontation that exists in the West," he said.
The analyst said there’s a complex set of views in the world regarding the situation in Ukraine. "Amnesty International, of course, is a pro-Western organization, but it also represents different forces. There are people who are critical of Ukraine," he said. "Hostilities always breed bitterness. It's inevitable, and in this sense, Ukraine is no exception."
Bystritsky also highlighted the political struggle around the report, which, spoke about Kiev's violations of the rules of war and the deployment of military equipment and weapons in schools and hospitals. After the report was published, the head of the Ukrainian division of the organization, Oksana Pokalchuk, resigned from her post, saying that her "her views on the values" were different from those held by the leadership of Amnesty International. The group later apologized the report caused pain but said it pursued the goal of protecting civilians.
"We are seeing a media-based and political struggle around this document, which confirmed, by the way, many statements by the Russian side about the tactics and strategy of the Ukrainian military," Bystritsky said. "From the discussions in political circles and from various sentiments in the Western society, we are seeing that there is no such thing as unequivocal and completely straightforward support for Ukraine.".
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:27 am to basionok
The dude blew open the truth and western politicians are losing their shite
Posted on 8/8/22 at 2:23 pm to xxTIMMYxx
Amnesty International said it is standing by its recent findings that the Ukrainian military put civilians at risk by operating out of schools and hospitals, but the group on Sunday sought to clarify its report to appease an uproar from Ukrainian officials and Western diplomats.
The report, published on Thursday, concluded that Ukrainian forces operated in close proximity to civilians, putting them at higher risk for Russian attacks. The head of the group’s Ukraine chapter resigned the following day, saying she and other local staffers had opposed the report’s publication.
“Amnesty International’s priority in this and in any conflict is ensuring that civilians are protected; indeed, this was our sole objective when releasing this latest piece of research,” the group said in a statement. “While we fully stand by our findings, we regret the pain caused and wish to clarify a few crucial points.”
Beyond drawing anger from Ukrainian leaders and others in the West, who argued the report unfairly blamed Ukraine for Russia’s tactics, Russian state-sponsored media and top officials quoted Amnesty’s findings to support Moscow’s argument that it was only launching strikes on military targets.
Amnesty’s new statement notes the group documented instances of Ukrainian forces locating themselves right next to where civilians were living in all 19 towns and villages the group visited between April and July, arguing that international humanitarian law requires all parties to avoid doing so to the maximum extent feasible.
“This does not mean that Amnesty International holds Ukrainian forces responsible for violations committed by Russian forces, nor that the Ukrainian military is not taking adequate precautions elsewhere in the country,” the group said.
“We must be very clear: Nothing we documented Ukrainian forces doing in any way justifies Russian violations,” the statement continues. “Russia alone is responsible for the violations it has committed against Ukrainian civilians.”
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The report, published on Thursday, concluded that Ukrainian forces operated in close proximity to civilians, putting them at higher risk for Russian attacks. The head of the group’s Ukraine chapter resigned the following day, saying she and other local staffers had opposed the report’s publication.
“Amnesty International’s priority in this and in any conflict is ensuring that civilians are protected; indeed, this was our sole objective when releasing this latest piece of research,” the group said in a statement. “While we fully stand by our findings, we regret the pain caused and wish to clarify a few crucial points.”
Beyond drawing anger from Ukrainian leaders and others in the West, who argued the report unfairly blamed Ukraine for Russia’s tactics, Russian state-sponsored media and top officials quoted Amnesty’s findings to support Moscow’s argument that it was only launching strikes on military targets.
Amnesty’s new statement notes the group documented instances of Ukrainian forces locating themselves right next to where civilians were living in all 19 towns and villages the group visited between April and July, arguing that international humanitarian law requires all parties to avoid doing so to the maximum extent feasible.
“This does not mean that Amnesty International holds Ukrainian forces responsible for violations committed by Russian forces, nor that the Ukrainian military is not taking adequate precautions elsewhere in the country,” the group said.
“We must be very clear: Nothing we documented Ukrainian forces doing in any way justifies Russian violations,” the statement continues. “Russia alone is responsible for the violations it has committed against Ukrainian civilians.”
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 2:32 pm to basionok
I will get downvoted into oblivion but…
Ukraine is being INVADED by Russia. Ukraine defense at this point is made up of the military and civilians that remain in the area, which would make the placement of heavy military equipment in residents and schools make sense, these kids aren’t going to school, kids in these areas have evacuated or are staying at home because there is an actual fricking war going on. Hospitals are a no no unless Ukraine feels like they need them there to defend the hospitals from Russia, which may be the case.
This is not the same Palestinian terror groups, because those people are launching offensive rockets INTO Israel, not defending their people from an active invader.
But sure y’all keep listening to this paid for Russian bot.
Ukraine is being INVADED by Russia. Ukraine defense at this point is made up of the military and civilians that remain in the area, which would make the placement of heavy military equipment in residents and schools make sense, these kids aren’t going to school, kids in these areas have evacuated or are staying at home because there is an actual fricking war going on. Hospitals are a no no unless Ukraine feels like they need them there to defend the hospitals from Russia, which may be the case.
This is not the same Palestinian terror groups, because those people are launching offensive rockets INTO Israel, not defending their people from an active invader.
But sure y’all keep listening to this paid for Russian bot.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 3:26 pm to CitizenK
quote:I know. It's not like schools are located in and around civilian neighborhoods or anything
They have been using schools for barracks almost from Day 1. It's not like any children are there.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 4:32 pm to ssgrice
What's interesting, to me, is in almost every report from our trusted "News" networks, the Russians are only bombing hospitals and kindergartens.
"IF" that were true it would make for a very strange way of assisting the "Russian backed separatists".
What came first? The "separatists", or the Russian backing part?
"IF" that were true it would make for a very strange way of assisting the "Russian backed separatists".
What came first? The "separatists", or the Russian backing part?
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