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re: To hold the water or to drain.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:35 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:35 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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The core of the question is enthalpy of phase change, and heat transfer. Melted water has blown its wad from a thermodynamic standpoint, it is then only acting as a very efficient heat transfer fluid, allowing heat from the wall of the container to be carried to the ice. If the goal is to reduce ice melt, drain the water and insulate it in air. If the goal is to quickly get something cold, leave the water in.
You are leaving out an important detail though, and that’s if everything is already cold inside the cooler and that you have 3rd party items keeping cold that your want to maintain the water.
If all you are doing is trying to keep ice as ice for say adding to a cup, then yes dump the water you are correct.
But ice with the melted water will keep the temperature colder longer then ice and air with the water constantly draining.
So:
Icey water with drinks/ food= keep water
Ice just for ice- dump water
ETA: remember if you remove the cold water, it’s then replaced with hot air. So while your actual frozen ice will last longer with water drained, the ability to keep say beer cans cold is diminished.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:53 am to baldona
quote:Something about this just seems wrong though.
remember if you remove the cold water, it’s then replaced with hot air. So while your actual frozen ice will last longer with water drained, the ability to keep say beer cans cold is diminished.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:59 am to baldona
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You are leaving out an important detail though, and that’s if everything is already cold inside the cooler and that you have 3rd party items keeping cold that your want to maintain the water.
Everything depends on the question asked and what OP specifically asked was how to preserve ice longer, but yes liquid water will “refrigerate” better than air by keeping the temp more consistent in the container, for the exact same reason that it causes the ice to melt. It’s transferring heat more quickly to the ice, by making the heat transfer more efficient. If a marble were sitting in those cups above, the ones sitting in water would probably be cool (but greater than 32F) longer than a marble sitting next to some ice but mostly in contact with warm air, no debate there. Of course at that point you could cover the marble with the remaining ice, like you could your groceries while camping, and they would then stay colder longer. All kinds of practical things you can do to make this argument not even worth having, because ultimately insulation of the cooler is the single biggest factor for heat getting in and melting anything, water just helps it flow once it’s through the wall.
I dunk fish/deer meat in an ice slurry to cool quickly. I then drain the water once everything is cold to preserve the ice around it as long as possible. That’s the entire thing in a nutshell.
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