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The coming automobile market collapse and what it means
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:17 pm
The auto industry collapse is just beginning. The next 18-24 months are going to be painful for your car salesman friends.Pre-2020, auto loan delinquencies were pretty much between 2-3%. Today that number has exploded. Its 10% in Texas and 23% in DC. Nationwide, its around 9%.
Americans owe more than $1.2 trillion in auto loans. Its the highest in history and that number is up 75% since 2009. More than 85% of purchased cars are financed.
Part of the problem is that over the last decade or so, car dealerships are making more profit on the financing deals than the car sales themselves. This has been very lucrative for the finance guys at the dealerships, but not great for the consumer. These shady places are giving customers 15%, 20%, 25% or more interest rates on cars. Even reputable dealers push up the rates. A customer that qualifies for 2% financing might be given 5%, and the dealer gets a kickback.
One study from 2021 said that about half of all auto loans were given to people who could not afford them. Only 4% of applications verified employment or income. So what's happening - these loans are starting to default.
After the China flu chip shortage slowed down new car deliveries, the price of used cars exploded, and not only were customers that couldn't afford a loan given one, they were immediately upside down. That $30k 2020 Chevrolet Impala is worth $17k.
These cars are starting to get repossessed and with used car prices down 22% from their 2021 high, banks are starting to take some massive losses. And with more and more cars getting repossessed due to high inflation and rising gas prices, they are expected to drop another 20% over the next year (Side note and not the point of the thread - if you are thinking about buying a used car - wait until 2023)
So the banks. are going to be looking for a bailout, and they might get it, even if the GOP takes over after November. Banks are big time lobbyists. Unlike student loans, mortgages and credit cards, there is no federal oversight of auto lending. The deal the banks might end up with would be "We'll bail you out, but we want to regulate auto loans."
Which sounds like a win for consumers but it isn't. Lenders won't be able to lend someone that doesn't qualify for a car any money, even at a high interest rate. It wouldn't take long for there to be a crisis.
Enter the government, who could conceivably come up with incentives for lenders to lend - as long as the cars being sold are electric vehicles. This is where we are going, folks. Everything is by design.
Americans owe more than $1.2 trillion in auto loans. Its the highest in history and that number is up 75% since 2009. More than 85% of purchased cars are financed.
Part of the problem is that over the last decade or so, car dealerships are making more profit on the financing deals than the car sales themselves. This has been very lucrative for the finance guys at the dealerships, but not great for the consumer. These shady places are giving customers 15%, 20%, 25% or more interest rates on cars. Even reputable dealers push up the rates. A customer that qualifies for 2% financing might be given 5%, and the dealer gets a kickback.
One study from 2021 said that about half of all auto loans were given to people who could not afford them. Only 4% of applications verified employment or income. So what's happening - these loans are starting to default.
After the China flu chip shortage slowed down new car deliveries, the price of used cars exploded, and not only were customers that couldn't afford a loan given one, they were immediately upside down. That $30k 2020 Chevrolet Impala is worth $17k.
These cars are starting to get repossessed and with used car prices down 22% from their 2021 high, banks are starting to take some massive losses. And with more and more cars getting repossessed due to high inflation and rising gas prices, they are expected to drop another 20% over the next year (Side note and not the point of the thread - if you are thinking about buying a used car - wait until 2023)
So the banks. are going to be looking for a bailout, and they might get it, even if the GOP takes over after November. Banks are big time lobbyists. Unlike student loans, mortgages and credit cards, there is no federal oversight of auto lending. The deal the banks might end up with would be "We'll bail you out, but we want to regulate auto loans."
Which sounds like a win for consumers but it isn't. Lenders won't be able to lend someone that doesn't qualify for a car any money, even at a high interest rate. It wouldn't take long for there to be a crisis.
Enter the government, who could conceivably come up with incentives for lenders to lend - as long as the cars being sold are electric vehicles. This is where we are going, folks. Everything is by design.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:20 pm to anc
Personal responsibility?
For suckers and rubes.
For suckers and rubes.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:22 pm to anc
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Enter the government, who could conceivably come up with incentives for lenders to lend - as long as the cars being sold are electric vehicles.
There simply are not enough electric vehicles for this policy to ever even be floated. NO matter how big the crash, this ain't the goal.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:22 pm to anc
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The coming automobile market collapse
its all part of the plan
they are just like S&L crisis directly caused by government policies, and just like then, congress will spend trillions bailing them out so they can start over with only green electric cars and have no more gas engines.
next they will follow that up with cash for clunkers buying back all remaining used vehicles that need gas and complete the circle
iits the same exact playbook they keep using time and time again and only the name of the excuse used changes
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:23 pm to anc
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The next 18-24 months are going to be painful for your car salesman friends.
Lol, frick em. I could understand upping your prices a bit to offset higher prices but these guys have been overcharging by >20%.
$1500 beater civics when???
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:25 pm to anc
You have millions of fricking idiots living paycheck to paycheck running out and buying 70-100k dollar vehicles. The chickens are coming home to roost.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:25 pm to anc
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These cars are starting to get repossessed and with used car prices down 22% from their 2021 high, banks are starting to take some massive losses. And with more and more cars getting repossessed due to high inflation and rising gas prices, they are expected to drop another 20% over the next year (Side note and not the point of the thread - if you are thinking about buying a used car - wait until 2023)
Good. My son turns 16 next year. Looking forward to midsize trucks coming back down into the teens, where they belong.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:26 pm to anc
We have a generation, or two, of consumers & investors that don't understand the carnage that higher rates can do.
The small tech companies that need cheap money to survive and grow.
Car sales, home sales, any significant purchase that requires financing.
W
The small tech companies that need cheap money to survive and grow.
Car sales, home sales, any significant purchase that requires financing.
W
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:28 pm to anc
I was literally just looking at vehicles. The going interest rate for excellent credit is in the 7’s. That’s insane.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:33 pm to anc
Love my paid off 2014 and 2015 vehicles. Car notes fricking suck.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:41 pm to anc
The banks want have an issue as much as the lenders. Big banks l require more verification and higher credit scores for their car loans. Banks are also regulated much heavier as depository institutions. Lenders specifically auto loan lenders have very little regulation. Their fall will be quick with no bail out. The customers will burden the most of the damage.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:41 pm to anc
Hoping this means the new Lexus Id planned on getting next year will be cheaper
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:42 pm to anc
So the best thing my SO and I have done is both of our cars are paid off.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:42 pm to anc
Car and truck prices will never, I repeat never, go lower. Consumers have shown what they are willing to pay. Now go do the right thing…
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:43 pm to anc
Sounds like there should be a glut of used vehicles with the repos going up. I was going to buy one last vehicle last year but I waited too late and the chip shortage hit. Then the cost of both new and used shot up. I waited too late. Normally, I buy a CarMax like vehicle where someone else has taken the big hit on depreciation but I figured a new one would last a lifetime for me as I don't really drive that much anymore. But when a frigging Jeep Grand Wagoneer costs $90K, I'll just keep driving what I've got. My 2007 2500HD Chevy has but 130,000 on it and it's not my every day vehicle. It might dry rot before anything else happens to it.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:45 pm to anc
Sub-prime auto meltdown?
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:53 pm to anc
Thanks dems for making our population stupid and give loans to idiots.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:54 pm to anc
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The next 18-24 months are going to be painful for your car salesman friends
Meh frick em.
The good ones will stay in business and we will come out of this ahead.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:55 pm to anc
I'm waiting for the Mad Max style DIY jalopy scene. When they leave us with no choice. It's gonna be badass
Posted on 7/24/22 at 3:57 pm to anc
Wait, you're telling me a GMC Sierra isn't worth $65,000 and your average consumer can't afford it.
Naw. I don't believe you. Check your numbers.
Naw. I don't believe you. Check your numbers.
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