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re: USA will have Socialized Medicine in 20 Years - It's Inevitable
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:27 am to dgnx6
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:27 am to dgnx6
Anyone who has been to the LSUS waiting room will understand why most people would hate socialized medicine.
Shop at Walmart, Spirit Airlines, and Socialized medicine. Things every normal person should avoid unless necessary.
Shop at Walmart, Spirit Airlines, and Socialized medicine. Things every normal person should avoid unless necessary.
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:38 am to lsucoonass
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and while i would want healthcare to be overhauled, i still dont think medicare is the answer. im still convinced these managed companies trick the elderly when they receive phone calls by them
People need to distinguish the difference in traditional Medicare and Medicare Advantage (managed care through various insurance companies). They are vastly different. Those insurance companies all want to push you to the lowest level of care because it's the cheapest. It's pretty easy to get rehab covered by traditional Medicare. In fact, it's the easiest to get auth.
I have known individuals that have been tricked by those calls and ads. The best coverage for elders is traditional Medicare with a supplement.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:42 am to deeprig9
frick that. I like my insurance
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:45 am to theenemy
The people in villages abuse the hell out of Gubment healthcare. They get transportation and hotel paid, so they generally make weekly doctors appts so they can come to JNU and it will be covered by the taxpayer. Its a pretty good scam, works perfectly.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:13 am to LSUGrrrl
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The number of people in this thread who think it’s a good thing is alarming.
Do you realize how much you are currently paying for what is at best average medical services? Especially, if you live in a rural area in US? I truly do not know what the best answer is, but it is not what we currently have. Everyone brings up having to wait for certain procedures or tests, but already, most people also have to wait for plenty of that in US as well. And it will get worse as the number of healthcare professionals is decreasing because dealing with the US population on a daily basis is a major pain in the arse and burns everyone out.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 11:14 am
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:18 am to PassingThrough
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for what is at best average medical services?
Do you really think socialized medicine improves that?
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
I'm still interested in hearing your economics lecture regarding regulating pharmaceutical prices in the US.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you really think socialized medicine improves that?
Well, at least what I am paying will be in line with what I am getting. Having travelled abroad and having had to take advantage of some "socialized" medical services, I have had fewer reasons to complain about them then what I have received in US where I pay out the nose if I am at all "out of network".
I really think people do not understand how average the overall US health system is in quality of medicine, but we are paying multiples higher in costs for it than anywhere else. At the top end of the specialties- sure there is probably a quality difference, but there really isn't otherwise. Just look at something as basic as maternal mortality rates in US versus other other developed countries.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:47 am to deeprig9
The reason the many European countries can have a socialized medical system is because they’re significantly healthier as a population. Not as many people need treatment, surgeries, medication, etc, so the burden on taxpayers to fund it is much less.
The US is currently running trillion $ deficits yearly. Sure, we can institute socialized medicine, if you’re cool with upping that to 2-3 trillion.
The reality is the American public is way too unhealthy for such a program to work without incurring trillions more in additional yearly debt.
Most people don’t realize that the majority of the yearly deficits of more than a 1,000,000,000,000 stems from healthcare liabilities.
The US is currently running trillion $ deficits yearly. Sure, we can institute socialized medicine, if you’re cool with upping that to 2-3 trillion.
The reality is the American public is way too unhealthy for such a program to work without incurring trillions more in additional yearly debt.
Most people don’t realize that the majority of the yearly deficits of more than a 1,000,000,000,000 stems from healthcare liabilities.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:49 am to LaLadyinTx
thats why i encourage my long term care residents at my facility to keep their tradition medicare
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:53 am to Wiener
Doctors and Hospitals. Insurance companies only blur the conversation. I got a bill the other day from a local hospital where my daughter had appointment.
Billed Price - $3,800(no detail...just hospital "costs")
Insurance allowed price - $273.46
Insurance covered - $225.00
Patient owes - $48.46
It's all a nonsensical charade.
Billed Price - $3,800(no detail...just hospital "costs")
Insurance allowed price - $273.46
Insurance covered - $225.00
Patient owes - $48.46
It's all a nonsensical charade.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 11:54 am
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:08 pm to PassingThrough
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At the top end of the specialties- sure there is probably a quality difference, but there really isn't otherwise. Just look at something as basic as maternal mortality rates in US versus other other developed countries.
I think other countries do a great job with basic things like prenatal care, basic well check ups for everyone, basic emergencies like a broken arm, basic lab, etc. We do a great job with the most critical care and a pretty bad job at basic care. In many places, (like N. La where my parents live) it's pretty hard to get appointments, already have waits for elective surgeries (they aren't truly elective...just not emergent). In addition, we have many non compliant patients who don't do things needed to control their diabetes, their heart disease, their high blood pressure.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:10 pm to lsucoonass
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thats why i encourage my long term care residents at my facility to keep their tradition medicare
Exactly, coonass. None of them realize that their managed care isn't going to approve these things until they suddenly need them. It's a huge shock for many families!
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:12 pm to kennypowers
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Billed Price - $3,800(no detail...just hospital "costs")
This means nothing at all. People are so hung up on charges, but that's not how healthcare is paid at all. All that matters is what your insurance policy contract between them and the healthcare provider says and what your contract with them through your employer says.
People see those big charge numbers and thing someone is paying that. They aren't.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:14 pm to PassingThrough
My only experience with EU socialized medicine is my parents three month trip to Italy. Getting their multiple prescriptions in their pharmacies was cheaper than what they were paying here and that's with medicaid plus supplemental insurance in the us. The out of pocket no insurance price in Italy was still cheaper. There's something wrong with that in my mind.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:14 pm to Pettifogger
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Anyway, 5th interaction without hearing your thoughts on the radical idea of asking people set to benefit from UHC to actually pay income taxes.
Are you suggesting that the portion of the population that doesn't end up paying any income tax also doesn't pay in to Social Security or Medicare?
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:15 pm to deeprig9
The amount of people that still allow themselves to get cucked by the insurance companies is astounding. We are literally the only first world nation on the planet that doesn’t have single payer and yet somehow everyone else is wrong while we are obviously the right ones. Meanwhile we are the only country where people can go into massive amounts of medical debt and the only country where people have to worry about paying for a cast or an x-ray
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:22 pm to dawgfan24348
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The amount of people that still allow themselves to get cucked by the insurance companies is astounding.
Your understanding of economics is childish.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:24 pm to deeprig9
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My only experience with EU socialized medicine is my parents three month trip to Italy.
Mine was an ER visit to Whitehorse YT, a city the size of Juneau.
Their emergency department was equal to the OR on the show MASH. It was archaic.
The only benefit to being in Canada was being able to buy Tylenol 3 OTC.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:39 pm to LaLadyinTx
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This means nothing at all. People are so hung up on charges, but that's not how healthcare is paid at all. All that matters is what your insurance policy contract between them and the healthcare provider says and what your contract with them through your employer says.
People see those big charge numbers and thing someone is paying that. They aren't.
I never suggested anyone was paying those prices. What I am suggesting is there is an ongoing arms race between the providers and insurance companies to raise prices to get the ultimate price they need to cover costs.....which, again, is a nonsensical charade.
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