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Has anyone asked the Dems
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:42 pm
Why a criminal who doesn't follow the law not to kill anyone would follow some new law on guns?
This post was edited on 6/3/22 at 2:43 pm
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Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:44 pm to RoosterCogburn585
So why have laws altogether then?
If a criminal isn't going to follow the law not to kill someone, why is murder against the law in the first place?
If a criminal isn't going to follow the law not to kill someone, why is murder against the law in the first place?
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:50 pm to oyr89
Because a society without laws is anarchy.
However, I do not believe adding an additional burden to legal gun ownership is going to solve anything.
However, I do not believe adding an additional burden to legal gun ownership is going to solve anything.
This post was edited on 6/3/22 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:54 pm to oyr89
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So why have laws altogether then?
The question is why make more laws that violates the rights of the law abiding, when the people you want the new laws directed at are going to ignore them anyway? What liberties does it take from anyone to say it is against the law to murder people? Can you say the same for any new gun laws?
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:56 pm to troyt37
Hmmmmmm....very well said!
Posted on 6/3/22 at 2:57 pm to oyr89
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So why have laws altogether then?
If a criminal isn't going to follow the law not to kill someone, why is murder against the law in the first place?
We used to kill murderers, now we give them 3 square meals and cable.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:13 pm to RoosterCogburn585
"Because there won't be any guns for them to use, silly."
How many females would give this answer to your question? I'd say at least 30% and I might be on the low side.
How many females would give this answer to your question? I'd say at least 30% and I might be on the low side.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:15 pm to oyr89
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If a criminal isn't going to follow the law not to kill someone, why is murder against the law in the first place?
You can't be serious
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:24 pm to Powerman
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You can't be serious
I'm serious.
I'm just using the logic provided above - I'm not advocating for murder not being against the law.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:32 pm to RoosterCogburn585
Because they don’t care and it’s not about stopping crime that’s why.
It’s only about disarming law abiding citizens so they can do what they want to us.
You know, the EXACT reason of the 2nd amendment!
It’s only about disarming law abiding citizens so they can do what they want to us.
You know, the EXACT reason of the 2nd amendment!
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:39 pm to oyr89
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I'm just using the logic provided above - I'm not advocating for murder not being against the law.
No you aren't. You think you've hit on some kind of gotcha, but you are really just ignoring the fact that any new gun laws would violate the rights, liberties, and freedoms of millions of Americans, while doing nothing to address the actual problem, because the new laws will be ignored just like the laws against murder.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:41 pm to RoosterCogburn585
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Why a criminal who doesn't follow the law not to kill anyone would follow some new law on guns?
Your question is racist, sexist, and whatever other ists they can think of.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:43 pm to troyt37
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You think you've hit on some kind of gotcha, but you are really just ignoring the fact that any new gun laws would violate the rights, liberties, and freedoms of millions of Americans, while doing nothing to address the actual problem, because the new laws will be ignored just like the laws against murder.
If the laws against murder are ignored, why have them?
Answer the question.
As you've essentially claimed, laws do nothing.
Why on earth have laws?
It's not some gotcha - just answer the question.
You can say it's a violation of liberty and what not which is completely different to essentially arguing for the removal of laws altogether.
This post was edited on 6/3/22 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:48 pm to oyr89
I'm not sure if you are ignorant, or just a troll, but I'll give you a couple more minutes.
They aren't ignored by the law abiding, they are ignored by the lawless.
Laws do nothing against the lawless. They are just words on a piece of paper.
Now answer my question. Why violate the rights of millions of law abiding Americans, creating new laws that will simply be ignored by the lawless?
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If the laws against murder are ignored, why have them?
They aren't ignored by the law abiding, they are ignored by the lawless.
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As you've essentially claimed, laws do nothing.
Laws do nothing against the lawless. They are just words on a piece of paper.
Now answer my question. Why violate the rights of millions of law abiding Americans, creating new laws that will simply be ignored by the lawless?
Posted on 6/3/22 at 3:49 pm to oyr89
quote:imprisoning the entire population would eliminate murder completely. Yet we don't do it. When you figure out why then you will have your answer.
If the laws against murder are ignored, why have them
Posted on 6/3/22 at 4:03 pm to troyt37
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Now answer my question. Why violate the rights of millions of law abiding Americans, creating new laws that will simply be ignored by the lawless?
I don't.
I'm just pointing out that it's a dumb argument because you're essentially arguing for the removal of laws altogether.
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They aren't ignored by the law abiding, they are ignored by the lawless.
But then why have them?
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They are just words on a piece of paper.
Let me repeat, why have laws at all if they are indeed just words on a paper?
You keep avoiding it.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 4:05 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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imprisoning the entire population would eliminate murder completely. Yet we don't do it. When you figure out why then you will have your answer.
How does that answer the question?
Let's start simple - this is your argument.
A) We have laws
B) Criminals don't follow laws.
Then why have laws in the first place?
Instead of giving me a non-answer about imprisoning the entire population, just answer the question.
You're effectively advocating for anarchy.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 4:06 pm to RoosterCogburn585
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However, I do not believe adding an additional burden to legal gun ownership is going to solve anything.
Which is fair enough.
I'm just pointing out the above logic is essentially arguing for anarchy.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 4:10 pm to RoosterCogburn585
Do we fully prosecute illegal gun possession to the fullest extent of current laws? If not, then new laws won’t do squat.
Posted on 6/3/22 at 4:12 pm to troyt37
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Laws do nothing against the lawless. They are just words on a piece of paper
Example: 2020 election
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