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Tesla needs to be driven for 47K miles to breakeven with BMW in terms of CO2 emissions
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:52 am
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:52 am
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The most comprehensive picture I could find came from a study produced by Circular Energy Storage, itself based on data from the Argonne National Lab (PDF), which publishes absolutely exhaustive figures and data on the environmental impact of all sorts of motoring. That data estimates 7,300 kg of CO2 is generated for the creation of a 100 kilowatt-hour Tesla battery pack. Since the Model 3 has a roughly 75 kWh battery pack, we can reduce that figure to 5,500 kg of CO2.
That means the Tesla has a significant handicap to overcome before it even rolls off the dealership lot. But, based on the per-mile figures above, we can do the math on just how long it would take to offset that. The answer? 47,413 miles, or a little over three years of average driving for the average American. After that, the Tesla Model 3 has made up its deficit and will forevermore be cleaner than the BMW.
But remember, that's the worst-case scenario. If instead you're driving your EV up in Alaska, which has the highest percentage of renewable energy usage in the continental US, the Model 3 produces a measly 130 grams of CO2 per mile. That brings the break-even point down to 26,699 miles, or about two years of average driving.
So, there you have it. Even when using electricity that largely comes from coal, and even factoring in the creation of the battery pack, EVs have a considerably smaller impact on the environment than traditional, gasoline-powered cars.
Now, what happens when those battery packs can't hold a charge? And just how long will that take, anyway? And just how much money can you save running an EV instead of burning gasoline? For all those answers and more, stay tuned for the next installment of EVs Exposed!
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The biggest surprise to me in this article was finding out that Alaska has the highest percentage of renewable energy usage in the continental US. What kind of renewables are those, I wonder?
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:54 am to hikingfan
IIRC, Volvo gave a 90k mile figure for their own cars.
I reject the idea that carbon is a problem though. It’s just a parasitic scheme for some people to get rich at societies expense.
I reject the idea that carbon is a problem though. It’s just a parasitic scheme for some people to get rich at societies expense.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:58 am to hikingfan
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What kind of renewables are those, I wonder?
Don't a lot of people up there burn oil for heat in the winter?
Posted on 6/2/22 at 11:58 am to hikingfan
That’s fine and all, but I am still against the government picking winners and losers. If it is indeed a better technology, then it will win out on its own.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:00 pm to hikingfan
They capture methane from polar bear farts and fuse them together then split then to make water and charcoal.
CH4 + CH4 + 2(mouthbreathers) Oxygen2 and you get 2 carbon molecules and 4 water molecules.
It is science.
CH4 + CH4 + 2(mouthbreathers) Oxygen2 and you get 2 carbon molecules and 4 water molecules.
It is science.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:03 pm to hikingfan
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Alaska has the highest percentage of renewable energy usage in the continental US. What kind of renewables are those, I wonder?
Methamphetamine and moose farts.
Sorry, Roger.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:05 pm to hikingfan
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Tesla needs to be driven for 47K miles to breakeven with BMW in terms of CO2 emissions
In a worst case scenario.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:06 pm to hikingfan
Read one that was pretty comprehensive a year ago and they compared it to a Camery I think. Was like 90k miles to break even and if the Tesla needed another set of batteries it went up to like 140k miles or something like that.
I have no idea how true it was but remember everything they have figured out seemed legit. Also I don't remember the exact numbers but it was close to those.
I have no idea how true it was but remember everything they have figured out seemed legit. Also I don't remember the exact numbers but it was close to those.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:09 pm to hikingfan
Truth is regular cars produce CO2 that adds to global warming meanwhile electric car batteries have to use lithium neither option are the perfect option for green or renewable energy. Which is why we need to invest into finding energy sources that don’t require us to rely something that is one harmful to the environment and two a source that isn’t finite.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:09 pm to hikingfan
Korksoaker is not gonna like this.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:10 pm to dawgfan24348
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Which is why we need to invest into finding energy sources for gay don’t require us to rely something that is one harmful to the environment and two a source that isn’t finite
What's that now?
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:12 pm to hikingfan
Are they factoring what happens with the batteries when you have to change them out in 10 years?
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:13 pm to LegendInMyMind
Well that’s a hell of a typo
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:13 pm to Engineer22
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Are they factoring what happens with the batteries when you have to change them out in 10 years?
que?
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:17 pm to hikingfan
Does that include emissions from the wrecker hauling it to the shop or the fire team having to extinguish the battery fire?
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:19 pm to SquatchDawg
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Does that include emissions from the wrecker hauling it to the shop or the fire team having to extinguish the battery fire?
Posted on 6/2/22 at 12:23 pm to jnethe1
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If it is indeed a better technology, then it will win out on its own.
Agreed. If we get to a point where EVs are better than gas powered vehicles in every way then you won't have to pay people to buy them as long as they are comparably priced.
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