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Miles really doesn't get it
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:30 pm
It seems that Miles really does not get the issues with the defensive scheme that we are currently running as well as the men that run it. Reading some of his quotes, he lays everything on the players, and its starting to get old. I am a big Miles fan and have trusted his judgment in the past, but this is getting a bit ridiculous.
The problems with the scheme are NOT limited to just this season, but were obvious as soon as the South Carolina game a year ago. From that point on, teams have found ways to easily move the ball and score on LSU's talented defense.
Why is it so easy you ask? There are two major issues:
1) The defense has rarely brought pressure at the appropriate times. This was a trend that began with Pelini. Once in a blue moon he'd get it right, but often times our blitzes got nowhere much of the second half of last season.
2) Horrible personnel decisions and mismatches all over the places. We have LBers covering slot receivers. A safety playing speedy receivers in coverage (McCray) that can't keep up with them, and play to far off the ball half the time to make a play.
Reality is that Miles seems to refuse to ever admit that he has made a mistake. Despite everything, he's never accepted any responsibility (see offensive woes in 2006, defensive woes in 2nd half of 07 and now 08). He continually says the scheme is fine, but players are just making mental errors. Well, like tackles, if it is one or two players missing them its on the players, but when everyone on the team is missing them, its coaching. Plain and simple.
Reality is that Miles needs to realize that the system IS broke and needs to be fixed. I hope he figures that out soon.
The problems with the scheme are NOT limited to just this season, but were obvious as soon as the South Carolina game a year ago. From that point on, teams have found ways to easily move the ball and score on LSU's talented defense.
Why is it so easy you ask? There are two major issues:
1) The defense has rarely brought pressure at the appropriate times. This was a trend that began with Pelini. Once in a blue moon he'd get it right, but often times our blitzes got nowhere much of the second half of last season.
2) Horrible personnel decisions and mismatches all over the places. We have LBers covering slot receivers. A safety playing speedy receivers in coverage (McCray) that can't keep up with them, and play to far off the ball half the time to make a play.
Reality is that Miles seems to refuse to ever admit that he has made a mistake. Despite everything, he's never accepted any responsibility (see offensive woes in 2006, defensive woes in 2nd half of 07 and now 08). He continually says the scheme is fine, but players are just making mental errors. Well, like tackles, if it is one or two players missing them its on the players, but when everyone on the team is missing them, its coaching. Plain and simple.
Reality is that Miles needs to realize that the system IS broke and needs to be fixed. I hope he figures that out soon.
This post was edited on 10/14/08 at 7:39 pm
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Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:32 pm to GeauxBob
FIRE HIM!!!!!
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:33 pm to GeauxBob
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Reality is that Miles seems to refuse ever that he has made a mistake
Agreed.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:33 pm to GeauxBob
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO SAY????? He is not going to talk bad publicly about anyone on his team. Look at the RP situation, he never once talked bad about RP. He is never downgrading his players, but he always put a positive spin on things. This is called optimism and is a pivotal thing in order to maintain success. I think this is why most rantards bitch about Miles so much. He is an optimist and most of you are extreme pessimist
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:34 pm to MrWilson
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FIRE HIM!!!!
He doesnt deserve this!!!! Everyone loses and plays bad but go to www.dandydon.com
read the statements he made, I think the coaces realize whats going on and they will step it up, I believe we will se a huge change in the way we play defense and football period this coming week and for the remainder of the season!!!! I think it was a wake up call myself
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:35 pm to GeauxTigers777
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WHAT DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO SAY????? He is not going to talk bad publicly about anyone on his team.
You may have missed his quotes. He is totally dismissing publicly that there are any coaching problems, and putting this totally ON THE PLAYERS. yeah, I am pissed.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:36 pm to Tha Mad Hatter
I think the FIRE HIM!!!!! was sarcasm. I just wish people here would quit being chicken little and learn that football has up and downs.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:37 pm to MrWilson
I agree. Everyone is going to say we're bashing, but it's true. For a guy who can come up with some colorful remarks during interviews, he sure does give some bland B.S. answers about the D. with no accountability. No, I'm not saying fire him, but he needs to address the OBVIOUS if he wants to get and keep the fans respect.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:38 pm to Aktig
When Bama hangs half a hundred on us, changes will be made. You can be sure of that.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:38 pm to Aktig
No, I did not miss his quotes. I think you might be reading the quotes, but not reading them in the context in which they were said. He acknowledged that there was alot of work to be done but that it would all be ok basically. Did you expect him to fire the DCs right now and pull a Tubberville? I mean get real people.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:38 pm to Aktig
you've been on here all F'n day talking about how pissed you are. He didn't name any F'n players by name, and he didn't DAMN his entire defensive scheme in the press. It's a press conference. Have you idiots not come to realize by now that Miles doesn't really share anything in those conferences? Yeah, he isn't a dick to the press like Saban was, but he also doesn't tell them, or you, a damn thing in them. When will you idiots figure that out?
but yeah, keep posting on an internet message board about how PISSED you are. That's getting the job done.
but yeah, keep posting on an internet message board about how PISSED you are. That's getting the job done.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:41 pm to CanShakersDecayedNut
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Miles was asked about the lowly numbers at his weekly press luncheon Mondnew co-coordinators Doug Malloryay and did not blame and Bradley Dale Peveto, whom Miles promoted after last season when Pelini became head coach at Nebraska.
"Well, I think there's some young guys playing some key positions for us that are not necessarily just in a groove at this point," Miles said as LSU does have three players starting for the first time this season in the secondary in sophomore Jai Eugene and junior Chris Hawkins at the cornerbacks and junior Harry Coleman at strong safety. There are also two new starters at the outside linebacker posts in junior Perry Riley and sophomore Kelvin Sheppard. Most of those are highly talented and were well recruited.
"I can also tell you that some of our veterans in my opinion are not playing the style of football that they're used to playing," Miles said. "And certainly I think injury may well have played a part in one guy's play."
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Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:44 pm to Aktig
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When Bama hangs half a hundred on us, changes will be made. You can be sure of that.
This is almost as bad as the 4-8 post you made.
:ban: :ban:Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:44 pm to GeauxTigers777
Look, my issue is not solely with his comments, but in the fact that he took a huge gamble on a system that was falling apart last season.
LSU's defense had 2, read "2" solid games out of the last 9 last season. One against Tennessee in the SEC CG, and the other in the BCS CG. Even those games were not well coached on the defensive side of the ball, and teams simply made plays.
This isn't a reaction to one bad game, and I am sick of people making that claim. The UF game was just the straw that broke the camel's back. If you watched any of the other games this season, the WHOLE defensive team looks confused, lathargic, and unprepared. That goes directly to the coaches.
There is nothing wrong with criticizing your employees. If they screwed up when he gave them trust, then say so. It is not going to kill them to admit publicly that the schemes need work, but he won't even do that. Rather, it is purely player execution that he states. That's what's sickening.
LSU's defense had 2, read "2" solid games out of the last 9 last season. One against Tennessee in the SEC CG, and the other in the BCS CG. Even those games were not well coached on the defensive side of the ball, and teams simply made plays.
This isn't a reaction to one bad game, and I am sick of people making that claim. The UF game was just the straw that broke the camel's back. If you watched any of the other games this season, the WHOLE defensive team looks confused, lathargic, and unprepared. That goes directly to the coaches.
There is nothing wrong with criticizing your employees. If they screwed up when he gave them trust, then say so. It is not going to kill them to admit publicly that the schemes need work, but he won't even do that. Rather, it is purely player execution that he states. That's what's sickening.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:44 pm to GeauxBob
Look - part of it is the scheme, and part of it is executing. McCray was in near perfect position when Harvin caught the tipped pass, but he mistimed his jump. Sorry, but that is execution.
Question - when is the last time you've seen one of our safeties break up a pass?
Answer - not very often. And quite honestly, those guys are the weak link of our pass defense. It happened last year and it's happening again this year. Every time a guy scores a 50, 60 or 80 yd TD against us it's b/c a safety made the wrong read. I love our guys but they are better geared toward stopping the run and delivering a hit on underneath passes.
Question - when is the last time you've seen one of our safeties break up a pass?
Answer - not very often. And quite honestly, those guys are the weak link of our pass defense. It happened last year and it's happening again this year. Every time a guy scores a 50, 60 or 80 yd TD against us it's b/c a safety made the wrong read. I love our guys but they are better geared toward stopping the run and delivering a hit on underneath passes.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:45 pm to Aktig
So you are saying that is throwing players under the bus???? Give me a break. He said that inexperienced players haven't quite developed yet. EVERYONE EXPECTED THIS. The veteran comment was probably about Beckwith and he was only 90% tops according to pregame reports which probably means more like 75%. As for the coordinators, Mils is a respectable person and knows personal matters with coaches are not talked about with the media. Why do you think you deserve him to tell you a damn thing about what he is going to do? This is Les Miles if you don't like find another team.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:46 pm to GeauxBob
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Miles really doesn't get it
I am willing to allow the season to play out before I agree with that judgment. You may be right, but it's too early to conclude that just yet.
I hope that Miles isn't part of a prevalent cycle today in college coaching where a head coach has fast success at a school (living off a staple of the former coach's recruits) and then begins to falter, only to survive a few additional years by firing/replacing assistants, and in the end, everyone finally realizes that its the head coach who has to go.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:47 pm to Aktig
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"Well, I think there's some young guys playing some key positions for us that are not necessarily just in a groove at this point,"
is there a player being named by name in there anywhere? Do we have a korean Defensive Back named Sum Yung Guys? He's stating the obvious, young players are still learning, they "aren't in a groove yet". It just doesn't get more obvious and generic than that.
But, again, keep making an arse of yourself on an internet message board acting as if you are owed some explanation. By all means, whatever you do, don't let the season play out and make a judgement at the end of the year.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:48 pm to mytigger
mytigger, did you actually watch the play where Harvin scored? He had already beaten McCray by 2 to 3 steps and was getting more separation. The only reason he almost made a play on the ball was that Tebow underthrew it. That is not great position. That is luck in a bad pass by the QB, which turned out to make things even worse. He underthrew it and the guy still got it.
Worse even was the missed tackles afterwards by the safeties. Yes, the safeties have played poorly, and largely that is because Coleman would rather blast a guy and talk shite even when his team is down 30 points than actually play his position right. Taylor is a mystery. His play has really dropped off.
Worse even was the missed tackles afterwards by the safeties. Yes, the safeties have played poorly, and largely that is because Coleman would rather blast a guy and talk shite even when his team is down 30 points than actually play his position right. Taylor is a mystery. His play has really dropped off.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 7:51 pm to GeauxBob
And this makes Miles decisions questionable how? If anything this should affirm his statements.
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