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What if Putin Didn’t Miscalculate?

Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:15 pm
Posted by CommieHater
Member since Oct 2021
1005 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:15 pm


Time will tell if Putin "miscalculated" but, our corrupt, inept, bumbling, stumbling, lying, pathetic "leaders" sure as hell did.



https://dnyuz.com/2022/03/29/what-if-putin-didnt-miscalculate/

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The conventional wisdom is that Vladimir Putin catastrophically miscalculated. He thought Russian-speaking Ukrainians would welcome his troops. They didn’t. He thought he’d swiftly depose Volodymyr Zelensky’s government. He hasn’t.

He thought he’d divide NATO. He’s united it. He thought he had sanction-proofed his economy. He’s wrecked it. He thought the Chinese would help him out. They’re hedging their bets. He thought his modernized military would make mincemeat of Ukrainian forces. The Ukrainians are making mincemeat of his, at least on some fronts.


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Several analysts have compared Putin to a cornered rat, more dangerous now that he’s no longer in control of events. They want to give him a safe way out of the predicament he allegedly created for himself. Hence the almost universal scorn poured on Joe Biden for saying in Poland, “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.”

The conventional wisdom is entirely plausible. It has the benefit of vindicating the West’s strategy of supporting Ukraine defensively. And it tends toward the conclusion that the best outcome is one in which Putin finds some face-saving exit: additional Ukrainian territory, a Ukrainian pledge of neutrality, a lifting of some of the sanctions.

But what if the conventional wisdom is wrong? What if the West is only playing into Putin’s hands once again?


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Combine that with Russia’s previous territorial seizures in Crimea (which has huge offshore energy fields) and the eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk (which contain part of an enormous shale-gas field), as well as Putin’s bid to control most or all of Ukraine’s coastline, and the shape of Putin’s ambitions become clear. He’s less interested in reuniting the Russian-speaking world than he is in securing Russia’s energy dominance.

“Under the guise of an invasion, Putin is executing an enormous heist,” said Canadian energy expert David Knight Legg. As for what’s left of a mostly landlocked Ukraine, it will likely become a welfare case for the West, which will help pick up the tab for resettling Ukraine’s refugees to new homes outside of Russian control. In time, a Viktor Orban-like figure could take Ukraine’s presidency, imitating the strongman-style of politics that Putin prefers in his neighbors.

If this analysis is right, then Putin doesn’t seem like the miscalculating loser his critics make him out to be.


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Within Russia, the war has already served Putin’s political purposes. Many in the professional middle class — the people most sympathetic to dissidents like Aleksei Navalny — have gone into self-imposed exile. The remnants of a free press have been shuttered, probably for good.

To the extent that Russia’s military has embarrassed itself, it is more likely to lead to a well-aimed purge from above than a broad revolution from below. Russia’s new energy riches could eventually help it shake loose the grip of sanctions.





Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15943 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:24 pm to
Because of our corrupt leaders and media, the truth is we don’t know anything about what’s really going on over there.
Posted by WokeGoBroke
Member since Mar 2022
327 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 1:28 am to
The point of Putin curshing dissidents back home is a very strong one. This war gave him carte blanche to absolutely shut all opposition back home without fear of being sanctioned. Can't be sanctioned when you're already sanctioned.

Another sinister possibility is perhaps Putin wasn't happy with some of the old guard in the army ranks. Maybe coup was brewing back home? Considering like 6 or 7 high profile generals bit the dust, that is a little unconventional.

Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 1:56 am to
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corrupt leaders and media


This. Covid definitely shined a light on our “media”
Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 1:59 am to
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This war gave him carte blanche to absolutely shut all opposition back home without fear of being sanctioned.


Have you considered that the sanctions imposed on the Russian people by the West kinda makes Putin a hero in their eyes. They are not blaming Putin for their hardships. They are blaming us.

We tried that in Iran years ago. Did the Iranian people throw their leaders out?
Posted by TigerAttorney
Member since Nov 2017
3886 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 2:03 am to
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Have you considered that the sanctions imposed on the Russian people by the West kinda makes Putin a hero in their eyes. They are not blaming Putin for their hardships. They are blaming us. We tried that in Iran years ago. Did the Iranian people throw their leaders out?


Post WW1 leading into the rise of Hitler and WW2 is the exact same situation. The world basically sanctioned Germany into Hyper Inflation which made the German people hate the rest of Europe. Hitler and the Nazis came to power and we all know how that ended.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68513 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 4:31 am to
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Nazis came to power and we all know how that ended.


In a war with Russia 77 years later in ukraine?
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
10712 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 5:42 am to
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This war gave him carte blanche to absolutely shut all opposition back home


That's what Zelensky did
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 5:47 am to
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The conventional wisdom is that Vladimir Putin catastrophically miscalculated. He thought Russian-speaking Ukrainians would welcome his troops. They didn’t. He thought he’d swiftly depose Volodymyr Zelensky’s government. He hasn’t. He thought he’d divide NATO. He’s united it. He thought he had sanction-proofed his economy. He’s wrecked it. He thought the Chinese would help him out. They’re hedging their bets. He thought his modernized military would make mincemeat of Ukrainian forces. The Ukrainians are making mincemeat of his, at least on some fronts


Every bit of this is bullshite projection from the west. These asshats are master story tellers
This post was edited on 3/31/22 at 5:49 am
Posted by 2Yutes
BR
Member since Oct 2018
2183 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 5:59 am to
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the truth is we don’t know anything about what’s really going on


This. Exactly.

Hearing everyone’s opinions derived from what “News” Channels say — well I’ll pass. Why would anyone give these proven liars & manipulators any credibility?? Better off thinking for yourself.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57597 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 6:07 am to
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He thought he’d divide NATO. He’s united it.


Really? Aren't they still buying his oil?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99868 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 6:18 am to
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Because of our corrupt leaders and media, the truth is we don’t know anything about what’s really going on over there


Yep.

The media could report the sky is blue every morning, with analysts and fact-checkers backing the claim, and I would check all the same.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67546 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 6:23 am to
Trying to beat someone on their home turf is hard. I know that's a difficult concept for the media but it is hard.....ask the Nazis in WWII Re: Russia
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9898 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 6:29 am to
They were warned for decades but opted to think that trade would make Russia much less belicose.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31658 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 6:40 am to
Meanwhile we are currently decimating our energy production and capabilities.

Entergy independence is power.
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 6:43 am to
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Have you considered that the sanctions imposed on the Russian people by the West kinda makes Putin a hero in their eyes.



Any Russian who feels that way already believed Putin was a hero, those opposed to the despot haven't changed their minds and the ambivalent, unpolitical are probably forming opinions against Putin more than for as the results of this castaprophy sink in.

Putin didn't need this war to remain President for life, but he may in fact have hastened his own regime change.
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
17551 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 8:34 am to
Putin is many things but dumb he is not.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20984 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 8:40 am to
Numbers don't make sense. If you're already an O&G powerhouse, you think you need more to cement your position?

Where's the rationale?
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
6663 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 8:48 am to

Putin doesn't have to rush .
He can take as long as he want with Ukraine.

I would like to see all 5 sides lose.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79673 posts
Posted on 3/31/22 at 8:54 am to
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That's what Zelensky did


Who are the 3 tards who downvoted this? They obviously haven't been keeping score.
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