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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:04 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:04 pm to OMLandshark
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I still want Ukraine to win even if I don’t think it’s going to happen, but yeah they’ve stopped that.
The logical position you've put yourself in is curious.
So in that respect, supporting Ukraine directly has been completely worth it if it leads to China completely rethinking their approach to Taiwan, correct?
Here's what you've said. You said that spending money on Ukraine isn't worth it because the Russians are going to win. At the same time, the performance of the Ukrainians and the support they've gotten from the developed world has made China rethink its approach to Taiwan. Taiwan is far more important to you than Ukraine, but you've made a direct connection between Ukraine and Taiwan.
In other words, Taiwan represents a far more important geopolitical position than Ukraine. Your initial worry that Russia's invasion of Ukraine would embolden the Chinese to take Taiwan was assuaged as China saw the response from the developed world to the Russian invasion. At the same time, you insist that giving any money to the Ukrainians is a waste because they are likely to lose, despite the benefit you yourself admit with regards to China and Taiwan. In those terms, don't you think withdrawing aid will also have an effect on the China and Taiwan, if we are following the logic you've suggested?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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The logical position you've put yourself in is curious.
So in that respect, supporting Ukraine directly has been completely worth it if it leads to China completely rethinking their approach to Taiwan, correct?
We needed to support them at the bare minimum that Russia didn’t roll over them. Just give Ukraine a little push to prevent that. We’ve done our moral obligation as far as I’m concerned.
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Here's what you've said. You said that spending money on Ukraine isn't worth it because the Russians are going to win. At the same time, the performance of the Ukrainians and the support they've gotten from the developed world has made China rethink its approach to Taiwan. Taiwan is far more important to you than Ukraine, but you've made a direct connection between Ukraine and Taiwan.
I mean Ukraine is to Russia as Taiwan is to China. It’s not a hard connection to make. The difference is Taiwan is far more important to the world as a whole than Ukraine is.
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In other words, Taiwan represents a far more important geopolitical position than Ukraine. Your initial worry that Russia's invasion of Ukraine would embolden the Chinese to take Taiwan was assuaged as China saw the response from the developed world to the Russian invasion. At the same time, you insist that giving any money to the Ukrainians is a waste because they are likely to lose, despite the benefit you yourself admit with regards to China and Taiwan. In those terms, don't you think withdrawing aid will also have an effect on the China and Taiwan, if we are following the logic you've suggested?
The world’s not fair. I’m sorry, I have friends in Ukraine fighting right now, but I think we’ve done all we can practically do at this point. Yeah we had the obligation to help Ukraine and give them a chance to fight. But I’m not for risking WWIII for Ukraine.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 10:14 pm
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