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re: Brianna Kupfer murder suspect with lengthy rap sheet was out on bail
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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So your policy is to indefinitely imprison someone without a conviction?
I would argue that given his history of not showing up for prior court appearances, and his lengthy rap sheet, that the bail in this case ($1000), was tantamount to a get out of jail free card.
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:23 am to jimmy the leg
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What system?
The entire criminal justice system.
If you want to see some gross stuff, any time that a new policy/bill is attempted to be implemented to go at crime in a new way, pretty much anywhere in the US, you will have LEO organizations (typically sheriffs) fight it. Why? Because they will lose revenue and will have to decrease budgets and terminate employees.
Controlling local jails is a huge part of that. Bail is the tool used to ensure local jails stay full (and the money keeps rolling in). This isn't about fighting crime. This is about government bureaucracies protecting their budgets and power/influence.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:24 am to Geekboy
The frickin British Daily Mail writes the stories our media won’t touch
It’s a sad indictment on the state of this country
It’s a sad indictment on the state of this country
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:25 am to beauchristopher
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He has a history of failing to appear in court, and has been repeatedly arrested on bench warrants. In one case in Charleston, he was convicted in abstentia after skipping court, and does not appear to have served the sentence, which is sealed in court records.
“You do realize bail is just a way to ensure a defendant shows up for its court dates, right?”
I mean how much more of a fricking failure can a supposed “lawyer” be?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:26 am to jimmy the leg
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that the bail in this case ($1000), was tantamount to a get out of jail free card.
He hasn't even faced the prosecution for that crime yet, though. People are acting like he won the case by posting a lower bail.
Again, I hope nobody upset about the bail in this thread had issues with bail with the Rittenhouse case or the J6 people who are being detained.
Bail should not be used as a weapon. It's only supposed to ensure the person shows up to court, not to pre-convict someone who hasn't been convicted and is supposed to be presumed innocent up until that point.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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You do realize bail is just a way to ensure a defendant shows up for its court dates, right?
You guys can stop the manhunt! Just wait until he shows up for one of his countless court dates and arrest him there because he’s out on bail right now and this ‘ensures’ he’ll show up! No worries!
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Give some examples rather than your feel good talking point.
Can things be done better? Sure, but “going at crime in a new way” in 2022 usually involves Democrats and a lot of bullshite
Can things be done better? Sure, but “going at crime in a new way” in 2022 usually involves Democrats and a lot of bullshite
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:27 am to Open Your Eyes
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I mean how much more of a fricking failure can a supposed “lawyer” be?
And now the ad hom attacks start
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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If you want to see some gross stuff, any time that a new policy/bill is attempted to be implemented to go at crime in a new way, pretty much anywhere in the US, you will have LEO organizations (typically sheriffs) fight it. Why? Because they will lose revenue and will have to decrease budgets and terminate employees.
Cue your standard bitch-arse “that’s not what this thread is about” nonsense.
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Bail is the tool used to ensurelocal jails stay full
Stop using words you clearly don’t know the meaning of.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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And now the ad hom attacks start
Facts are not ad hominem attacks. Once again, you have absolutely nothing to support your stupidity and can do nothing but cry when others accurately point that out.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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Bail is the tool used to ensure local jails stay full (and the money keeps rolling in). This isn't about fighting crime. This is about government bureaucracies protecting their budgets and power/influence.
I get that.
In the same vein, liberal judges coddling criminals is also a major issue.
In this case, I am of the opinion that $1000 is a joke considering the circumstances.
Oh, and btw, just for clarity, this POS killed someone.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:31 am to Proximo
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Give some examples rather than your feel good talking point.
The only people posting emotionally are the ones upset about this specific POS.
Just google "Sheriff association opposes" and you will find countless articles on their lobbying efforts.
This isn't even a "defund the police" thing. This isn't a legislative attack on budgets forcing a reduction. The reduction in budgets is from a natural result of decreasing our oppressive police state.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:32 am to Open Your Eyes
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Cue your standard bitch-arse “that’s not what this thread is about” nonsense.
Oh no bail is a major part of the police state and ensuring those dollars for prisoners (as well as the tactical advantage of the prosecution) remain in tact.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:32 am to jimmy the leg
He was also out on $50k bail on a March 2020 indictment for firing a gun into an occupied vehicle
But hey presumed innocent so we can’t keep him locked up guys
But hey presumed innocent so we can’t keep him locked up guys
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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People are acting like he won the case by posting a lower bail.
What case? His history clearly indicates that he won’t show. As stated...get out of jail free.
An alalogy...
You are basically saying that you have no problem with the pedo baby-sitting your children because he hasn’t attacked them.
I’m saying common sense and logic suggests that you are making an extremely poor decision.
$1000 bail for someone that could give two fricks about the legal system is a poor decision.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 6:35 am
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:32 am to tiggerthetooth
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California refuses to build more jails or requires too much shite in the jail for "prisoners rights
The rehabilitation aspect of modern criminal justuce has, for the most part, been a failure.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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Just google "Sheriff association opposes" and you will find countless articles on their lobbying efforts. This isn't even a "defund the police" thing. This isn't a legislative attack on budgets forcing a reduction. The reduction in budgets is from a natural result of decreasing our oppressive police state.
“That’s not what this thread is about. Make your own thread if you want to talk about that.”
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:34 am to jimmy the leg
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Oh, and btw, just for clarity, this POS killed someone.
I understand that. He's a POS.
The POS guys force discussions on policy in criminal justice settings, unfortunately. Most case law, resulting in rulings on both sides of the issues, involve...unsavory characters.
But the rules that apply to these people apply to everyone. That disassociation is the part people have a problem with.
They just assume that they're different from "those people" until they face the LEO monster. And yes, innocent people have to face the machine sometimes. Again, we literally just had the Kyle Rittenhouse situation unfold in front of all of us.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:35 am to SlowFlowPro
Oh JFC you can’t even come up with a modicum of a substantive base for your argument
Please continue white knighting for this “innocent” murderer
Criminal Defense attorneys are scum, coming from an ambulance chaser.
Please continue white knighting for this “innocent” murderer
Criminal Defense attorneys are scum, coming from an ambulance chaser.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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Oh no bail is a major part of the police state and ensuring those dollars for prisoners (as well as the tactical advantage of the prosecution) remain in tact.
“That’s not what this thread is about. Make your own thread if you want to talk about that.”
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