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re: US Tells Russia That NATO May Continue Expansion East, Russia Says It May Use Force
Posted on 1/10/22 at 4:47 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 1/10/22 at 4:47 pm to LuckyTiger
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I can see a situation where agreements are reached but not made public whereby Russia promises not to invade Ukraine and the US promises not to admit Ukraine as a member in the near future. At least I hope that is the case.
I mean, the original agreement was that the U.S. and NATO would protect Ukraine in the event of a Russian invasions in exchange for Ukraine voluntarily giving up their nuclear weapons. We all saw how well their western allies held up their end of the deal when Russia stole Crimea. NATO is a paper tiger with zero political will to wage war. It's nothing but a money-laundering operation for Europe to take American tax dollars to fund their welfare states.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 4:48 pm
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Posted on 1/10/22 at 5:06 pm to kingbob
Crimea had been part of Russia for centuries, is 70% Russian and 15% Ukrainian in population, and voted in a referendum to secede from Ukraine and join Russia.
Now, we can argue that the referendum vote was a joke but given the demographics of the electorate it isn’t shocking that the vote would produce such a result. Moreover, given our own elections here in the US and our support for secession acts in numerous places such as East Timor, South Sudan, Kosovo, etc, etc, we would look quite hypocritical in opposing it.
Regardless, I wouldn’t send Americans to die over Crimea.
Well, except for maybe Hunter Biden.
Now, we can argue that the referendum vote was a joke but given the demographics of the electorate it isn’t shocking that the vote would produce such a result. Moreover, given our own elections here in the US and our support for secession acts in numerous places such as East Timor, South Sudan, Kosovo, etc, etc, we would look quite hypocritical in opposing it.
Regardless, I wouldn’t send Americans to die over Crimea.
Well, except for maybe Hunter Biden.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 5:10 pm to kingbob
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the original agreement was that the U.S. and NATO would protect Ukraine in the event of a Russian invasions in exchange for Ukraine voluntarily giving up their nuclear weapons.
That was not really the agreement. NATO wasn’t a party to any of those documents, and none of them obligated the US to protect Ukraine militarily. We had a long thread on here a while back about it.
There are a lot of misunderstandings on what the Budapest memorandum and the subsequent bilateral treaties with Ukraine actually say. They are short, go read the text. It’s diplomatic legalese with no teeth and no enforcement mechanisms.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 5:13 pm
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