In 34 games, he's shot:
>40% in 14 games
30-39% in 5 games (all of them were actually 33.3%)
20-29% in 4 games (all of them were actually 25.0%)
10-19% in 1 game
0% in 9 games

In 20 of 34 games, he's legitimately shot below the league average. As much as he's helping us win games, his shooting is equally costing us some too.

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BI doesn't disappear in the big moments, he still tries to close games out. Lonzo tries to stay away from the ball in close games, much like Simmons.

Personally, I do not want lonzo closing at all and that's fine. Just like how I wouldn't want a Duncan Robinson or Bogdanovic.

I want those guys to be pull a defender and let my closer try to close.

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Any team in the league would give up 2 2nds for Graham, and 90% of them would have given up a lottery protected 1st for him at the deadline last year. This is nowhere near a bad trade.

That's the point though, I don't think its a bad trade. I think its actually an excellent one for both sides. We didn't give up much for a good guard, and its team friendly deal. Charlotte had no intention on keeping him and got a potential 1st (if not than 2 2nds) for him.

We on the other hand had no intention on keeping Lonzo at his cost, somehow we helped facilitate and got a future 2nd that isn't this upcoming year.

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Portland sent a lottery protected 1st to Chicago for them eating DJJ contract who was considered a negative contract at the time, and currently it doesn't look like Chicago will be getting that pick since Portland is a dumpster fire.

This is the info on that pick:

2022 first round draft pick from Portland
Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2022, 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025, 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028; if Portland has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2028, then Portland will instead convey its 2028 2nd round pick to Chicago [Chicago-Portland, 8/28/2021]; Chicago may forfeit Portland's 2028 2nd round pick (see Chicago Outgoing)

If anyone thought Portland would be THIS bad than they'd be lying to themselves. The plan for Chicago was to get a mid-late 1st for lauri, it didn't pan out. Oh well, it happens. At least they swung for it and I would bank they land a 1st out of Portland if they do intend on trading Dame and CJ this upcoming offseason.

Eating DJJ's expiring contract, same could be said of Satoransky's abysmal 10mil expiring too right?

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He still gets minutes, but probably not nearly as many.

I would disagree. We don't have a true 4 without Zion and watching the game I see Herb and Hart play majority of their minutes as the 'small ball 4'. Which is also why we have defensive issues, but that's another discussion in itself.

You don't think NAW's 28, Temple's 20, Sato's 15, and Kira's 14 MPG would be affected moreso? Because I personally think the way NAW's played this year, you could argue he would decrease to 20-22 MPG instead.

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And Graham, and a 10 million dollar contract to trade, and a steady veteran hometown presence that the young guys look up to and respect, which is kind of big for this team. You know Herb gained alot more respect for Garret when he stood up to that ref for him, something no other vet we've brought in would have done.

IIRC, financially someone had calculated that we could have kept both. If the numbers work out, I honestly think if you actually wanted Lonzo --- than you could keep him.

Now this is my personal belief. I 100% agree with you Temple is the kind of veteran a team wants. Absolutely. I am 100% on board with him on this team and by no means I think he's a shitty player and his off-the-court veteran presence contributes to a young team.

However I personally believe that overall --- when you compare ALL the deals this offseason, we got next to nothing for our lost talent while other teams across the league actually recouped something. That's where the 'loss' of this trade is. Taking back Sato + opening space for them to get a talented player should have garnered more than a 2nd round pick 2 years from now

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Posted by Soggymoss

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Posted on 1/2/22 at 5:18 pm to htran90

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In 20 of 34 games, he's legitimately shot below the league average

This is pretty much every player in the league. Nobody really ever shoots consistently 40% every game.

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Eating DJJ's expiring contract, same could be said of Satoransky's abysmal 10mil expiring too right?

Depends on how you see them. DJJ is an always injured mediocre player. Sato was always a pretty good off the bench role player for Washington and Chicago, and has never shown anything different until this year, although his play has steadied of late.

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IIRC, financially someone had calculated that we could have kept both.

Yes, we could have bundled Graham into the Memphis trade, however we wouldn't have received the 17 million trade exception back.

Truth is, we cannot fully evaluate anything to do with the offseason moves until we see what we do with that trade exception, and if we move Sato and what we get in return.

Let's just make an example and say Griff turns that trade exception into someone like Norman Powell, that made it all worth it right?

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Posted by iwyLSUiwy

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Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:17 pm to htran90

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In 34 games, he's shot:
>40% in 14 games
30-39% in 5 games (all of them were actually 33.3%)
20-29% in 4 games (all of them were actually 25.0%)
10-19% in 1 game
0% in 9 games

In 20 of 34 games, he's legitimately shot below the league average. As much as he's helping us win games, his shooting is equally costing us some too.

Im not some Temple defender, but this is just a dumb argument. Do you seriously think guys are supposed to be around their average every night?

Luka is shooting %.326 from 3 this year.

In 21 games, he's shot:
>40% in 6 games
30-39% in 4 games (all of them were actually 33.3%)
20-29% in 7 games (all of them were actually 25.0%)
10-19% in 4 game

Luka shoots threes 8.3 times per game. Temple, 3.4. Take away the rest of the skill set, who would you rather take your threes? Which one is more consistent? Temple is doing just fine, to act like his shooting is costing us games is just ridiculous. That's not to mention 5 of the times he shot %0, he only shot it once. In fact, when he's shot it over 5 times a game, he's shooting %41. Lets not act like that is costing us games.

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