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re: Is Hal Mumme the most influential coach in modern CFB history?
Posted on 12/9/21 at 12:01 pm to DBG
Posted on 12/9/21 at 12:01 pm to DBG
I was lucky enough to work for Coach Mumme. I coached football for 16 years, a few years in college. Mumme was unreal to work for. I was a lowly student assistant, but he treated everyone equally. No matter your role, how big or small, he treated you just like you were an integral part in the operation. As a young coach, he would give you tasks that you can handle and succeed at, so you could prove yourself. Then once you did, you would get more stuff to do, sort of a promotion. His coaching tree includes many more coaches who aren't mentioned here, but his attitude, the way he treated people, the way they conducted their business is what is super important. The offense is very simple to learn and teach, and those guys would share it with anyone who was willing to listen and learn.
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 12:08 pm to linewar
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That's why it's called the Air Raid rather than "The Mike Leach offense" or the "Hal Mumme offense."
TBF, the air raid literally is/was the hal mumme/mike leach offense. The name originated from their time at indiana weslyan, when the parent of one of the players brought a literal air raid siren and would play it whenever they scored.
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 12/9/21 at 12:09 pm to Tigerpaul1969
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I have not been able to find that clip anymore.
Damn, they scrubbed ole JoePa from the internet.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 12:46 pm to LifeAquatic
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TBF, the air raid literally is/was the hal mumme/mike leach offense. The name originated from their time at indiana weslyan, when the parent of one of the players brought a literal air raid siren and would play it whenever they scored.
One of the fraternities at Valdosta State had an air raid siren on their roof. The members could watch the game from their rooftop and would fire up the siren on scores.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:05 pm to multicampus
I laugh that for all he did for modern football Mumme was just a few years back chilling with my buddies at the same Jackson Ms suburb apartment complex they all lived in.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:07 pm to BayouBengals90
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Seems like Saban’s coaching tree is unmatched… but from a football standpoint, in general, that would mean Belichik reigns supreme.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:07 pm to DBG
You can also make an argument for Glenn Ellison+Jack Neumeier (Run and Shoot and power spread respectively, but power spread never exists if Ellison doesn't invent run and shoot).
Hal Mumme is probably the better answer though. Everyone uses air raid concepts and he also invented the RPO as if changing passing concepts alone wasn't enough.
Hal Mumme is probably the better answer though. Everyone uses air raid concepts and he also invented the RPO as if changing passing concepts alone wasn't enough.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:17 pm to AlwysATgr
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Spurrier- his fun-n-gun was innovative. I think he changed the way SEC teams had to play.
My problem with giving Spurrier too much credit is that he didn't really invent anything. He just proved that "three things happen when you throw the football and two of them are bad" is total BS and that you can compete at the top level with a pedestrian QB that sometimes throws on first down. His actual offense at its core was from the 70s though. He definitely does deserve credit as a ~Chip Kelly esque figure who showed that this "gimmick" offense isn't actually a gimmick though.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:22 pm to DBG
Archie “Gunslinger” Cooley from Mississippi Valley State spawned this air raid type offense. Willie Totten to Jerry Rice.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:22 pm to BayouBengals90
No there were some Great Pre Bellichck coaches that inspired him so...
Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:50 pm to DBG
Yes!
You have Audible? Get the book The Perfect Pass, it tells all about how he met Leach and created the Air Raid
It’s a good listen / read if you get the book
He was heavily influenced by Edwards, Walsh and Mouse
You have Audible? Get the book The Perfect Pass, it tells all about how he met Leach and created the Air Raid
It’s a good listen / read if you get the book
He was heavily influenced by Edwards, Walsh and Mouse
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:55 pm to LifeAquatic
Ah, I missed your post about the book.
My bad
My bad
Posted on 12/9/21 at 2:10 pm to LifeAquatic
You should read all of SC Gwynne's books.
THey're all fantastic
THey're all fantastic
Posted on 12/9/21 at 2:26 pm to BayouBengals90
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Seems like Saban’s coaching tree is unmatched… but from a football standpoint, in general, that would mean Belichik reigns supreme.
Pfffft...take a look at Paul Brown's coaching tree - Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Weeb Ewbank. That's 4 HC in the NFL HOF.
From the Shula Branch you have Howard Schnellenberger, Noll and Bill Arnsparger.
From the Arnsparger branch you have Marty Schottenheimer.
From the Schottenheimer branch you have Tony Dungy, Bruce Arians and Bill Cowher. You also have Mike McCarthy, Herm Edwards, Wade Phillips, Art Shell and many more.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 3:02 pm to dbuchanon
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Ah, I missed your post about the book.
My bad
Haha all good man, it's a great book. Glad to hear that others have read it. I really can't imagine any CFB disliking it.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 3:18 pm to LifeAquatic
It’s very well done, lots of football history in there as well
Posted on 12/9/21 at 4:45 pm to DBG
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Mike Leach was Mumme’s OC at Kentucky, who then spawned.....Dana Holgorsen
Leach was Mumme's OC at Iowa Wesleyan, and Holgerson was a wide receiver
then they went to Valdosta State and Holgerson got his first job under them
Posted on 12/9/21 at 5:12 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Seems like Saban’s coaching tree is unmatched… but from a football standpoint, in general, that would mean Belichik reigns supreme.
Does he mean Bill Parcells?
And Parcells came up under Steve Sloan
Sloan of course was a Bear Bryant guy
Posted on 12/9/21 at 5:27 pm to TigerDawg1212
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My problem with giving Spurrier too much credit is that he didn't really invent anything. He just proved that "three things happen when you throw the football and two of them are bad" is total BS and that you can compete at the top level with a pedestrian QB that sometimes throws on first down. His actual offense at its core was from the 70s though. He definitely does deserve credit as a ~Chip Kelly esque figure who showed that this "gimmick" offense isn't actually a gimmick though.
Sid Gillman was the father of the west coast offense. He was HC of the Rams, then the Chargers, and then the Oilers
Spurrier absorbed plenty of Gillman's creation from being on the west coast as a 9 year player for the 49'ers
Posted on 12/9/21 at 5:36 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Archie “Gunslinger” Cooley from Mississippi Valley State spawned this air raid type offense. Willie Totten to Jerry Rice.
he learned a bunch from John Merritt and Joe Gilliam at Tennessee State when Totten and Rice were still in diapers, although he and Gilliam coached defense, not offense
if you're a defensive coach, you can certainly switch gears and create a monster offense in your head that you'd never want to coach defense against
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